Wanting to play BG

[peterthepan3]

Ah right. 5 seconds. Bg does have nice tools truth be told.

[thefarthestland]

Crit debuff only with 2h
Knock down only with shield

just a one buff with dark protector/oath friend (willpower/Str)

aoe slow skill level 13 / Ironbreaker level 9

Crit buff
BG 10cd 10% 5 sec (aoe)
Ironbreaker 0cd 10% 10sec (oath friend)
KOBS 0cd 10% 10sec (aoe)
KOBS aura 10% more likely critically hit (aoe)

[zabis]

You also buff your dark protector's toughness

[TenTonHammer]

Choppas crit debuff is better

[Jaycub]

Something that is bothering me now is if I want to play 2h BG, there is literally no room for any kind of survivability.

CD, CF, And outgoing healdebuff are I think mandatory to keep the spec somewhat useful, but in doing so you have zero access to any tactics or abilities to increase your surivive aside from the bubble until RR 70 w/ the toughness buff tactic in middle tree.

In comparison Ch has 25% parry buff, knight has 8-10% less chance to be crit with runefang and vigilance combined with emp champ m2. SM has 50% avoidance via bladedance... you get the idea.

2h BG seems like it has to survive completely off of gear/RR points, which I have tried on 2h knight and I know it pretty sketch in scs and just impossible in ORvR.

[Penril]

Well, CD/CF/SK is an offensive spec which leaves no room for much defense. Take a look:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:

You can't be detaunted, you can increase your AA speed by 50%, your heal debuff is spammable and you can increase your crit chance constantly by 15%. I believe the BG is the only tank that has those skills (except for the crit part, which other tanks have in different ways, and the AA haste which is available to IB). If you told me those effects but didn't name the class, I would think you were describing a DPS class. If that's the spec you want, then play it as a mDPS. Don't expect to have as much survivability as a SnB Chosen with Tzeentch's Amplification.

My advice? Run that spec, with Mercenary gear and a good 2H. However, if you think you need more survivability (say, you take a SC and see several Maras or Sorcs), then swap to a defensive set (Ruin, a few Lair pieces, some epic jewelry) and put on a shield. Swap a few tactics as well (Rugged, Malekith's Bulkwark, Dark Blessings, etc. but KEEP SOUL KILLER). Now you are pretty tanky and still have Choking Fury + spammable heal debuff. The only thing you are missing is CD. ClosetGoblin is a must for this.

[TenTonHammer]

or pick up ET instead of CD

[Penril]

or pick up ET instead of CD

ET is not meant to keep you alive. It only parries 4 attacks, which is like 1 sec if being focused. Also, it is useless against casters or rDPS. The only use for ET, imho, is when you see a tank coming your way and you think he will try to use CC on you.

Also, 30sec CD.

[taccr]

BG simply doesn't work in the current state of the game.
I like to play the class but the other tanks simply bring more to the party.

The recent CD tuning doesn't change anything about the real problem the class is suffering from.

[Jaycub]

ET also seems to synergize better with shields?

Dropping CD in a 2h build would be a crime honestly, like not running dirty tricks w/ snb knight... at that point i think you begin to start asking yourself why you are running that spec or class.

Same thing with outgoing HD and choking fury, these seem like class staples that are unique to the tank archetype on destro.


Shield BG looks quite boring to play aside from the 5 sec KD, damage seems like it would just be really bad compared to Ch/BO, group wide utility is nonexistant and big brawlin on BO makes the aoe snare you have to spend 13 points to get into an absolute joke.

I feel like tanks in order to be "meta" need to either buff your groups damage to make up for a lack of your own, the pinnacle example being SnB knight running dirty tricks, encouraged aim etc... or they need to do good damage themselves while also bringing some decent utility (SM/BO). These classes also have buffs that are group wide instead of single target, yet the AoE nature of these buffs/debuffs don't seem to make them any less powerful than the BG's ST buffs/debuffs for some reason.

BG has to spend 2 GCD and be in melee range of a target to do the same thing a chosen toughness aura does in an AoE passively constantly always up. Yet surely this would mean BG gets some very strong debuffs in the class of something like EW on WH or amazing damage or tactics....

Spoiler:

They don't