[WITCH ELF] amelioration

[Bretin]

Oh
My
God
Senior
Balance
Moderator

Here comes the end of any balance in RoR, it seems.

Tklees has nothing to do with development or decision making

The role of the Balance Forum Moderator is to ensure posts on the Balance forums adhere to a certain standard of rhetoric and logical debate.

His opinion carries no extra weight, his job is to make sure no one is breaking the rules specific to the Balance forums.

This is true. But also, Tklees definitely knows his **** when it comes to WH/WE:

Spoiler:

since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

[Jaycub]

muh false equivalence!

[Tklees]

Why?

The burst peaks are reach due to abilities that involve a spec like such:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

This is the WE gank Spec and out of stealth you hit like a truck due to Masterful Trech. This can be combined with Puncture and Elixir of Insane Power to deliver some serious damage.

The WH on the other hand gets its highest burst from a spec as such:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... 5:;0:0:0:0:

The burst would come from combining an Absolution finisher right as the last tick of Burn away lies goes combined with their Seal of Destruction. This is unreliable at best in top end PvP and why most WHs will run EW spec for the sure damage.

Oh
My
God
Senior
Balance
Moderator

Here comes the end of any balance in RoR, it seems.

please enlighten me on how to achieve higher burst on either of these two classes since you seem to know so much. All we have gotten out of you so far are questions. How about you tell us what it is you think. If you can't provide anything of your own to support your statements I do not really see your point in being here.

[Tklees]

Tklees has nothing to do with development or decision making

The role of the Balance Forum Moderator is to ensure posts on the Balance forums adhere to a certain standard of rhetoric and logical debate.

His opinion carries no extra weight, his job is to make sure no one is breaking the rules specific to the Balance forums.

This is true. But also, Tklees definitely knows his **** when it comes to WH/WE:

Spoiler:

since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

it isn't you are completely correct in that statement. But I do know WH/WE. I don't claim to know any other class inside and out but that those I do.

[Druin]

The burst peaks are reach due to abilities that involve a spec like such:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

This is the WE gank Spec and out of stealth you hit like a truck due to Masterful Trech. This can be combined with Puncture and Elixir of Insane Power to deliver some serious damage.

The WH on the other hand gets its highest burst from a spec as such:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wh; ... 5:;0:0:0:0:

The burst would come from combining an Absolution finisher right as the last tick of Burn away lies goes combined with their Seal of Destruction. This is unreliable at best in top end PvP and why most WHs will run EW spec for the sure damage.

Oh
My
God
Senior
Balance
Moderator

Here comes the end of any balance in RoR, it seems.

Constructive critisism is the best critisism.

[Genisaurus]

since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

Strictly speaking? It doesn't. While I'm not talking about skill with the class, it would be hard to argue that you could get to the #6 position on a server only 2 months after 1.4 released without skill. Even farming keeps or AFKing in warcamps isn't going to get you that much renown relative to everyone else doing the same thing. Likewise, I don't think you get to RR85+ without learning the class, and in this case I'm specifically vouching for his knowledge in that class.

Do you have another metric you would prefer to use?

[Jaycub]

since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

Strictly speaking? It doesn't. While I'm not talking about skill with the class, it would be hard to argue that you could get to the #6 position on a server only 2 months after 1.4 released without skill. Even farming keeps or AFKing in warcamps isn't going to get you that much renown relative to everyone else doing the same thing. Likewise, I don't think you get to RR85+ without learning the class, and in this case I'm specifically vouching for his knowledge in that class.

Do you have another metric you would prefer to use?

Is it possible to track scenario statistics on this server? For instance if we ever get that 6v6 SC would you be able to track things like W/L ratings, average dmg/healing, death blows, etc... Obviously only for the 6v6 SCs.

[Mavella]

One minor buff I think both classes could benefit from is making the out of stealth barbs less of a totally ignore-able joke. If we're going to live in world where we can't even have a sort of reliable snare (Feinted Positioning+Snapshot) at least make the movement barb sort of punishing if people are just gonna walk away from you.

Unfortunately for both these classes if even a minuscule gap is created they have essentially no hope of ever catching back up without a permasnaring tank around. In small man and solo confrontations or in a situation where you are caught out of stealth any ranged class is going to **** all over you and it is a death sentence.

Making these barbs worthy of using outside the AP reduction would also reward WH/WE for getting into stealth in larger engagements which isn't exactly easy with tons of aoe flying around and the oh so wonderful getting knocked out of stealth immediately after it applies bug (with a full 30second cooldown laughing at you in the face.)

[Genisaurus]

Is it possible to track scenario statistics on this server? For instance if we ever get that 6v6 SC would you be able to track things like W/L ratings, average dmg/healing, death blows, etc... Obviously only for the 6v6 SCs.

It will be, and it's something we've talked about internally. I honestly forget what the main blocker was - I think it's just a priorities issue, and perhaps determining what stats should be considered more important than others for leaderboards.

[Jaycub]

http://www.warbuff.com when? :^)