Enough with Order outnumbering Destro

[Acidic]

Spoiler:

How do you suggest the devs address bad destro NA players?

Why do you attack Destro NA players as "bad" when they are outnumbered? How does that make them bad players? Are you a troll?
NA(North American region) are not just Americans, but also Canadians and some Central American countries. Not sure if you have a nonsensical prejudice against peeps from usa or not.

Care to explain why you think Destro NA players are "bad"? What are they doing wrong? What can they improve on as being the underdog when outnumbered?
Some helpful explanations instead of dismissing all NA players as "bad" would actually be helpful.

You're just kicking them while they're down when you say they're "bad" for being MASSIVELY outnumbered in fort and keep rvr.
It's as if your encouraging all Destro NA players to 100% quit and to just reroll order. Does order NA players really want to have a 100% pve experience in the rvr lakes/fort?.

You decide to stereotype/toss all Destro NA players in the mop bucket when there are many great Destro NA players that give an effort in the face of extreme odds against them. EU may be balanced, but the underdog experience for NA Destro is a unique emotional experience.

I'm not saying all Destro players are not "bad". There are some that are, because I have seen them myself.

1. One time in Shadowlands zone which we were defending, I tried making a Destro pug and I was able to get my wb filled to the max, but after we got wiped ONCE, most of them disbanded like the domino effect. Really?.
Just because a pug wb wipes, doesnt mean its over. It's over when the zone is locked, so people shouldn't give up so easily.
When order pug wb wipes, they dont quit. Learn from how order is playing.

2. Attempted to send invites to fellow Destro NA players in a rvr lake to join group.
Most declined. Why?
This is a pvp game, if you want to solo pvp but if your not a WE then you should obviously reroll or consider finding another real 100% solo-only pvp game to play. This is a multiplayer game, work together and you will gain more than you ever could as a solo player.

Most of the "solo" pvp Youtube videos that some newtimers first see about ROR and think "I want to be like THAT!" as their motivation for playing the game as a solo player are unrealistic. These people are not only bis geared but also very experienced to pull off 1v1 stuff like that.
If more NA Destro players were to join small roam groups they would have a better experience than solo where they get ganked and camped over and over again.

As for @OP, it is not depressing to play Destro if you are committed enough. There are times in EU that players play a faction when outnumbered no matter the odds and they still have alot of fun, you can too.

But like @Rubius said, the best thing that can be done besides soloing is joining or make your own pugs or overflow, joining or make your own roam groups w/Discord, or join a Destro guild for more coordinated wb action w/Discord.

There are some Destro NA guilds that actually exist (Big Inc, Krew, etc) that you can join. Don't take my word for it, look in the "Destruction" section of the forum for these guilds and more.

@OP, the fact is that the dev's cannot fix this kind of problem. This is a player population issue. Not a gameplay issue.

Spoiler:

Will NA Destro be outnumbered forever? Idk.
But there are things that can be done until then as the underdog to help improve/maximize your rvr experiences:
Join or make your own: pug or overflow pugs, small roam groups, and consider joining a real NA Destro guild to get the most out of this game.

I would argue this point as the order overpopulation directly started after the last set of “balance” patches two years ago. That is direct dev influence on population. Not going to say it was deliberate but the effect is clear.

[Gerggregsson]

Thats fake news and is not what it says there. It says, altdorf was sieged 6 times, not that destro won 6 cities. They won way more overall cities than 6 and even way more city instances. A year ago we had the same situation just with destro sieging altdorf non stop. No balance changes were made since then.
Pretty much all fort wins for order come from NA prime time and if numbers are equal on those, destro is lacking NA guilds to counter formosa and jempire.

No.
I was referring to Destro successfully getting 6 Altdorf city sieges. Not referring to how many cities Destro won.
I think you took what I said out of context and I should have been more specific.

It has been such a long time since any of us, both order and Destro, have seen Altdorf sieged.

Destro sieging Altdorf non-stop last year?. Source? Have any proof?, I doubt that, I don't think Destro last year wasnt the same Destro in 2018.
Destro in those years had outnumbered order but in recent years they have absolutely not during NA timezones.

[balzuran]

So there is more Order?

[Phantasm]

So there is more Order?

There is more order in a sense that more people log order characters then destro. Even without opposition of other realms, keep takes, fort locks etc are more rewarding and interesting then log less populated faction and organise any type of opposition. Problems NA destro is facing are:

• lack of pug leaders like we have in EU prime - zorbax, perdu, Annuki etc.

• lack of organised destro RvR guild, like we have Freebootaz, Unreal, cant count HOB as they are xrealmers now

• lack of any chance to secure kills impacts the ability to capitalize on the AAO they possess, especially on a larger scale than in solo or small roaming situations

[Farrul]

I have to admit (as an Order player for the past 2 years) that the destruction population as of late has been alarming( 3 weeks or so) before EU prime.

Sure once EU prime kicks in destruction gains number and the war is on until typically late EU but before that it has been unusually quiet over at destro, right now for example ( 12:40 pm CEST) it is a stable 100-200 AAO + for the past few hours with less than a dozen visible destro in the zones vs the usual +99 Order players, and this is likely to continue for the next couple of hours. That is a longer decline of faction population than anything i have observed previously.

RoR always had (or at least during my time here) cycles of 1 side domination but this is for sure more alarming than previously.

I know many like to point out the balance issues (there is some merit to it) but balance between factions has not stopped Destruction from being the dominating side in the past. This seems more like a general loss of interest in the game.

I have a few theories and there is a possible elephant in the room which may be the cause of this but not sure if we are allowed to discuss it here so i will refrain.

In any case it is concerning and i think RoR is in a dire need of changes that breaks the current metas and introduces fresh positive changes to the RvR campaig. The sooner the better.

[Akalukz]

I will be honest in my opinion, and this goes for both sides. WB leaders who camp warcamps are the primary reason you see a drop in players in the lake. Farming the same group of players over and over lead to nothing else but those players not logging in. I see this on order and on destro. This is a population mentality issue. Dont' wannt hear that there are multiple extis blah blah blah, if you are in a wb or leading a wb that is intentionally farming warcamps or spawns, Remember this thread and the complaint of no one to fight.

[DirkDaring]

Alright bro I guess I'm crazy.

Is there a pull that Devs can look at? Specifically on which side invades more keeps (not defending) and heading to city sieges. I will put money on Order.

Go to the killboard, then select city Scenarios, Since Nov 2022, dest has invaded Altdorf 6 times, there are on average 10 or so City sieges a month, so since Nov 2022 around 90 possible city sieges, so Altdorf sieged 6 times, vs IC 84 times, mainly do to every night between 2400 cst, and 0900cst, Order takes empty forts with 90 attackers to 2 to 14 dest defenders,

Its a common sight to go to sleep at 900pm, and wake up at 600am to see 2 forts taken, and in CW, or Cale ready to attack 2 more forts daily. Order pve keep/fort game is strong lol

[Garamore]

That revolutionises his point, 6/90ish is so different to 11/90ish - another outstanding forum contribution.

Lots of people are playing order casual for the rr and crest train (got 82 crests from a pve fort with less than 5 kills and can complete the weekly in a few hours of pvdoor) then logging/xrealming to destro in EU primetime to then log/head back after.

Its human nature to pick the easiest path to the things you want and this has become the pattern.

[normanis]

destro need na time zone wb leader. and its will do miracle. its hard work to lead byt someone need to do it.

[Sulorie]

When desto is being farmed at WC/spawn then you want to blame someone's else than the guys getting farmed? It's a choice to pick the same exit all the time.
They farm there because it works!
Sometimes people are responsible for their misfortune. Them drawing the wrong conclusions is a matter of mindset.