Hotfix 21/08/16

[Revec]

And what game breaking opportunities have 60rr players?

not a whole lot tbh. some more renown points to spend and another mastery point(unless that is not implemented in ror)

[sanii]

- Fixed an issue allowing players to continue to gain RR for siege weapon kills.

Wait wasn't that supposed to be fixed quite a while back when highest rrs were like 50-55?

Edit: nvm seen the post from aza too late

[Revec]

- Fixed an issue allowing players to continue to gain RR for siege weapon kills.

im confused about this, arent people using siegeweapons supposed to recieve rr/inf ? what am i missing ?

Nope. Renown gain while on a weapon was blocked. Unfortunately this was realized, and players began leaving the weapon just after firing it to get renown instead. I've modified it temporarily so that damage from a siege weapon is credited to the siege weapon and not to its user.

oh i see, i was under the impression that you recieved rr/inf from any participation for killing enemy players in keep fights(oil, siegeweaps, zerging etc). in any case, good fix then!

[perche]

poor danielita, a strong hug.

[Danielle]

- Fixed an issue allowing players to continue to gain RR for siege weapon kills.

im confused about this, arent people using siegeweapons supposed to recieve rr/inf ? what am i missing ?

Nope. Renown gain while on a weapon was blocked. Unfortunately this was realized, and players began leaving the weapon just after firing it to get renown instead. I've modified it temporarily so that damage from a siege weapon is credited to the siege weapon and not to its user.

So a question first if I am reading correctly:

Was siege renown gain considered abuse only after it was supposed to give no renown?

Because if so, then why don't you just penalize the players that actually did this then? It's not like it's impossible to sort through 30 people and who abused the weapons after they were supposed to give no renown? It's not like it's an administrative nightmare to sort through 30 people and while it might be like an hour or two hours of work for the GMs to get through that, it is days upon days of playtime that is being 'wasted' (I still had fun,well except for the hellblasters) for those people instead. I do not condone abuse to achieve things in game - but the abuse only happened after siege was not supposed to give renown and by a few select individuals rather than it being a common thing in the top 30? I mean Vaping hasn't even played since siege renown was removed.

I don't really like this if I am reading your intentions/wording correctly, because you are unnecesarily bringing down people who might be innocent. Like I am pretty sure there are plenty of people in the top 30 who never even used siege. Teefz and Svarz pretty much just roamed in parties. Nicelook and Alakantar pretty much only solo roamed. I used like 2 pieces of siege siege post-renown nerf and didn't see any way to get renown from them (Sure I did get plenty before - and I am not sure how your post/nerf is intended is it just post-nerf usage or pre-nerf usage you intend to deal with?).

Anyway I would appreciate if you either dealt with the top 30 on a case by case basis (This might still mean I am back at 50 if pre-nerf siege usage is also considered abuse - however there will still be people who didn't use the siege at all). Either that or just be honest with us and say you don't want people to be high renown rank if that is so. That's also fine, but transparency counts .

As with any exploit, the people using it should be penalized, not the people with the most renown, that seems a little random to me.

[Telen]

When will we see the end of innocent players losing rr due to the actions of exploiters. This is as bad as those civilians caught in Aleppo. I feel for you. #jesuispragg

[Natherul]

it was known by pretty much everyone when siege and t4 was out that they gave abnormal amounts of rr.

Also remeber, we are still alpha and the reason for this backhanded approach is that devs have more important things to work on then to evaluate each case and as Azas siggy clearly states (and thats been stated over and over):
- This server is development first, player experience second.

[Danielle]

it was known by pretty much everyone when siege and t4 was out that they gave abnormal amounts of rr.

Also remeber, we are still alpha and the reason for this backhanded approach is that devs have more important things to work on then to evaluate each case and as Azas siggy clearly states (and thats been stated over and over):
- This server is development first, player experience second.

The approach taken makes no sense. Why target the top 30? Is RR abused on siege from 40-50 somehow more legit than RR abused from 50-60? I can agree with development first, but that doesn't mean that player experience cannot come second. It's coming like 105th here.

These are fair solutions that would make sense:

-Roll back/delete individual characters who abused known exploit.
-Roll back everyone to a certain time-stamp because exploit was possible and we can't detect who used it.
-Roll back character's RR to a date before no renown siege was introduced.

A flat rollback to 50 is a random unjustified and targeted solution.
Basically the message you are sending here in terms of exploting is that instead of legitimately gaining renown on my RR60+ WH, I should have been exploiting siege on my RR35 Slayer or RR40 Shaman. That doesn't seem like the right message to be sending, or does it?

[TheRipe]

Awww. I feel bad now. I mostly solo roamed myself up to renown rank 54 and half and it was true pain. I swear I didn't use that siege weapon exploit thing... but I guess I have to unfortunately deal with this

[Azarael]

-Roll back/delete individual characters who abused known exploit.

Do you have divine powers to identify these people?

-Roll back everyone to a certain time-stamp because exploit was possible and we can't detect who used it.

That hurts everyone instead of the top 30, who are extremely likely to have used siege for a major part of their RR. As you yourself held the top spot and were well known for this, I don't believe you have much room to complain.

-Roll back character's RR to a date before no renown siege was introduced.

Same problem as above. This is an alpha server and we can only take backups manually when the server is down, so the reocrd is actually quite patchy.