well the value is half of the 1 sec group heal of wp for 2 sec cast and it can't also crit and require you to be static for cast it.
So ye cant be heal debuff tough to spam it you need as you said M2 and Sm cd decreas you ; i think this is the less strong you can do with a m2 and SM cd decrease you so...
AM for bse can group crit heal 2k... not so much overpowered about sigmar grace
Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
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- shaggyboomboom
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
no need to nerf sigmars grace, even with WW its not worth spamming a 2s cast that heals for not much for that aoe heal. just because a AOE HEALER can top heal charts doesnt mean its abuse or needs nerf.

- peterthepan3
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
It's in grace ergo melee heal tree, and it is not overperforming. It requires ww and m2 to be remotely useful. Imo it's just really not a big deal given the state of wp atm.Torquemadra wrote:But its not melee, and it isnt working how it did on live, I dont see it as a big deal at this point but if its patching over the already big issues of melee healing thats a problem in itselfpeterthepan3 wrote:Essential part of melee healing wp.
Please stop trying to get **** nerfed based on hurr arguments.

- th3gatekeeper
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
Nah, its an order ability, so its not OP. Now, if that were on DOKs, it would have already been nerfed by now 

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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
I play destro 90% of the time and think the skill is fine.
- shaggyboomboom
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
talk about order crits getting nerfed and morale pumps notth3gatekeeper wrote:Nah, its an order ability, so its not OP. Now, if that were on DOKs, it would have already been nerfed by now


Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
This is also something that will scale very badly. It was fine on live and until i see some very concrete evidence, I refuse to jump on any nerf dis band wagon.
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
we should just remove healers and ban everyone who took one to 40/40
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
I guess that's a good thing that destros have some wounds debuff then.
- peterthepan3
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Re: Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?
I get what you're saying. Having tried out melee healing on WP, I can say that Sigmar's Grace is literally the ONLY thing I have to heal my groupmates whenever i am punted/ccd/away from a target. Whether or not the ability ITSELF is needed is a different matter to what melee healing needs to be viable, imo.
Personally? I see nothing wrong with it, given that DPS DOK still has an aoe hd on 100% uptime in BIS gear/aoe snare/2 x dmg covenants. WP has always been a bit more healing-orientated. I've never seen any complaints about the wounds buff being used as a heal (several competent WPs use it in 6v6s vs good groups), especially when you compare it to shaman's aoe potential (it pales in comparison).
Personally? I see nothing wrong with it, given that DPS DOK still has an aoe hd on 100% uptime in BIS gear/aoe snare/2 x dmg covenants. WP has always been a bit more healing-orientated. I've never seen any complaints about the wounds buff being used as a heal (several competent WPs use it in 6v6s vs good groups), especially when you compare it to shaman's aoe potential (it pales in comparison).
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