[DOK] Nee d advice in healing

[Warfare80]

AoE detaunt tactic doesnt work with 1hand and chalice/book.


AoE detaunt doesnt work? o,O
I guess its the same with WP then? Is there any info about this problem?

Its not a problem as in 'bugged' or anything, it is intentionally removed so we need to learn better positioning:D
There is a very long thread somewhere with a total explanation about it and the reasoning why on this forum.

Fair enough. Thanks alot

[CegeePegee]

There's an active proposal in the balance forums regarding returning aoe detaunt to chalice-holding doks so standby on that, we may get it back eventually. As far as maximizing your heals, it was mentioned that dok is not much of an ST healer and often that's true, group healing is our main thing. I keep khaines vigor on cooldown at all times and i'll preload my melee/tank grp members with my ST hots. Khaines Invigoration is a nice burst heal but your bread and butter will be your group heals, soul shielding, and your group cleanse.

Your playstyle and group comp matter too. I personally feel I do best when paired with a zealot in a 6man melee group. Playstyle wise, backlining is fine but i've found that it makes you a fast target so make sure you're always ready to defend yourself against WHs and pouncing WLs. Situational awareness is key, you need to know well ahead of time when you need to flee/shield/whatever bc you're not a very mobile healer, kiting sucks on dok. I prefer to play in a more hybrid melee style, using essence lash and transfer essence to build soul essence (rather than relying only on blood offering) and using rend soul and devour essence to help out my mdps when they're taking extra heat. If the opposition starts focusing me i can always fall back to a more backline position.

Tree-wise i don't even bother with Torture for now since the aoe detaunt is for dps dok only. Instead I take Sacrifice up to DE and the rest is in Dark Rites.

[Sulorie]

It's not like the healingtotal in SCs matters at all, you can heal fluff for days without actually saving the life of anyone. And DoKs only shine when many people in your group take non lethal damage, the second there is any pressure DoK is useless, and trying to regain essence after the initial 4-5 gcds you can get off is in most cases impossible if you try to do it with melee skills. And if you are able to get off melee skills without people dropping like flies, it's only because the opposition is bad or there is low pressure.

The regen channel regens as fast as spamming Transfer Essence, as long as you have a melee target. The difference is that you heal something, while being totally useless during the channel cast.
Like previously said, focus damage is nothing a DOK can deal with for longer than a few gcds. But it's not like only 1 target gets damage. Others go down too, albeit at a slower rate (excluding 6vs6, where all focus on one), while you heal the main focus target. DOK is good at keeping the health up against average damage to all ppl in group.

It worked on live and it works here the same way, and back then both classes were considered the top of the line. All they lost here was aoe detaunt but this doesn't effect their healing capabilities. Plenty used rr90/100 sets without SOV regen procs.

[Asherdoom]

my struggle with healing is: i got a HOT (useless considering the crazy burst) a direct heal+hot (the one i use most yet drain my soul essence so after 3 cast i must recover and a flash heal with 3 secs cd... my issue is
unlike shamn which got shields and stuff no matter what i do i cannot keep anyone alive because heal over time are outnumbered by burst,....

[CegeePegee]

you do have a shield and based on the link you're specced for it. I'm not sure what level you are but your group heals will have a much better output in general than you hots. are you trying to heal out of party? Dok isn't well suited for that other than to help out the other party's healer a little.

[lefze]

It's not like the healingtotal in SCs matters at all, you can heal fluff for days without actually saving the life of anyone. And DoKs only shine when many people in your group take non lethal damage, the second there is any pressure DoK is useless, and trying to regain essence after the initial 4-5 gcds you can get off is in most cases impossible if you try to do it with melee skills. And if you are able to get off melee skills without people dropping like flies, it's only because the opposition is bad or there is low pressure.

The regen channel regens as fast as spamming Transfer Essence, as long as you have a melee target. The difference is that you heal something, while being totally useless during the channel cast.
Like previously said, focus damage is nothing a DOK can deal with for longer than a few gcds. But it's not like only 1 target gets damage. Others go down too, albeit at a slower rate (excluding 6vs6, where all focus on one), while you heal the main focus target. DOK is good at keeping the health up against average damage to all ppl in group.

It worked on live and it works here the same way, and back then both classes were considered the top of the line. All they lost here was aoe detaunt but this doesn't effect their healing capabilities. Plenty used rr90/100 sets without SOV regen procs.

My point stands, you either have so low pressure you don't really need the essence and can melee someone, or the pressure on party is great enough that you would want to melee something, but would die instantly if you even tried getting to frontline. With pressure no tank would have the option to switch guard on you, dps would die instantly. So trying to melee is far subpar to positioning correctly and channeling for essence. In any high pressure situation dok has to crutch really **** hard on 2nd healer.

[Gerv]

my struggle with healing is: i got a HOT (useless considering the crazy burst) a direct heal+hot (the one i use most yet drain my soul essence so after 3 cast i must recover and a flash heal with 3 secs cd... my issue is
unlike shamn which got shields and stuff no matter what i do i cannot keep anyone alive because heal over time are outnumbered by burst,....

Its all about providing a base load, continuous and stable healing output through the HoTs and grp heal which are complimented by the burst healing capabilities of other healer classes. You also have one of the most powerful healing related M2's in the game. You can make or break lives every minuet, so when it comes to burst you have the answer.

additionally, once you survive the first/second enemy burst rotations, they have likely blown cool downs and out of AP and that is when you can strike back, applying pressure and getting kills.

[Asherdoom]

my struggle with healing is: i got a HOT (useless considering the crazy burst) a direct heal+hot (the one i use most yet drain my soul essence so after 3 cast i must recover and a flash heal with 3 secs cd... my issue is
unlike shamn which got shields and stuff no matter what i do i cannot keep anyone alive because heal over time are outnumbered by burst,....

Its all about providing a base load, continuous and stable healing output through the HoTs and grp heal which are complimented by the burst healing capabilities of other healer classes. You also have one of the most powerful healing related M2's in the game. You can make or break lives every minuet, so when it comes to burst you have the answer.

additionally, once you survive the first/second enemy burst rotations, they have likely blown cool downs and out of AP and that is when you can strike back, applying pressure and getting kills.

your point stands, but nly in theory. a BW can nuclearize me in 3 casts... not to mention WH or slayers...

[Luuca]

Sippy Cup backlines is all about positioning and supplementary heals. Solo healing a group in an SC as a DoK is murder and nay impossible. You need the direct heals specialist to focus the enemy's main target while you keep the rest of the group up, cleanse, and roll hots.

With the sippy cup in hand, It's pretty worthless to try and DPS even a solo WH that's on your other healer in the back lines. Best you can do is use your punt, shield, roll group hots, individual heal, and direct heal with HoT on the zealot or shammy. The group heals will help keep the group up while main healer tries to escape or the tanks peel the WH/Slayer.

I've found that by speccing for and using Devour Essence on the main Melee Dps in our group when he gets focused, he lasts longer without the spike in damage that is indicative of imminent death ; however, it's an essence hog and problematic from that standpoint.

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