WP - New ability in Wrath, is it viable?

[catholicism198]

[quote=Mystry post_id=295546 time=1523175916 user

I pray every night for a return of Experimental Mode. I know deep down that it'll never happen, because a certain someone keeps stonewalling it.
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It's because it was over performing in small groups and I think azareal was the one that coded it....
There were also so many changes that it was hard to keep up with them all since they cannot update tooltips.
It was a lot of fun, but it was also really challenging because you had to constantly swap your offensive and defensive target and because of the lack of passive healing abilities. Maybe in the distant future...

As for the new ability, it's very useful but doesn't increase dps. It's more of a 6 point ability- but it would get abused there.

[michela89]

As for the new ability, it's very useful but doesn't increase dps. It's more of a 6 point ability- but it would get abused there.

not without the tactic, healers wp should'nt exploit it if it requires divine fury

[peterthepan3]

I played with Torque during the ab ex period. He would have been the last person to stonewall anything that would give life to his Adepta Sororitas dream.

[Darosh]

I'd be interested in seeing a RR70 book WP with this (one could think about running Anni/dropping the AoE HoT, to grab the AoE detaunt) perform in ORvR roam/scenarios.

Sadly Rowan is busy fighting elephants and my WP is far off from RR70.

Abbd.: Err, scrap Fanatacism, I meant to click Exaclted Defense right next to it. .-.

[Mystry]

Im fascinated to know who exactly you think is "stonewalling" this

To note, Azarael made it, I loved it, it made unholy hybrids, Aza pulled it as was his prerogative

I'm not stupid enough to name drop here, but I will say it's not you.

[catholicism198]

As for the new ability, it's very useful but doesn't increase dps. It's more of a 6 point ability- but it would get abused there.

not without the tactic, healers wp should'nt exploit it if it requires divine fury

It's only a 20% debuff- and iirc you get a 30% healing bonus from investing points into the mastery. Kite premades would love it- even if it was only a speed+snare immunity.

[catholicism198]

As for the new ability, it's very useful but doesn't increase dps. It's more of a 6 point ability- but it would get abused there.

Its charge, feline grace and juggernaut in one, Im fascinated as to what you perceive to be worth a 15 point ability.....

A super awesome damaging ability or damage buff ability. DPS DOKs/WP just needed a basic gap closer to improve their viability. Improve...not saying it would've made them 100% viable.

[Klesko]

Additionally, I feel like the armor sets for DPS need a lot more strength on them than they have now. My mid-30s level SW is already at the ballistic skill softcap, without potions, while my 40 WP is nowhere near the strength softcap, and the WP has arguably much better gear.

Is it safe to say that your SW is using two ballistic-boosting tactics? Specifically Instinctive Aim and Masterful Aim? Also, if you're in Scout stance that's even MORE ballistic stacked on top. That has nothing to do with ballistic gear being better optimized than str gear, and in fact the stats on equivalent gear are fairly comparable. I'd have to disagree with this notion that gear for certain careers needs to be tweaked to match a career/character that has tactic/stance setup that brings them to higher values. That just trivializes those tactics/stance choices.

[Mystry]

Additionally, I feel like the armor sets for DPS need a lot more strength on them than they have now. My mid-30s level SW is already at the ballistic skill softcap, without potions, while my 40 WP is nowhere near the strength softcap, and the WP has arguably much better gear.

Is it safe to say that your SW is using two ballistic-boosting tactics? Specifically Instinctive Aim and Masterful Aim? Also, if you're in Scout stance that's even MORE ballistic stacked on top. That has nothing to do with ballistic gear being better optimized than str gear, and in fact the stats on equivalent gear are fairly comparable. I'd have to disagree with this notion that gear for certain careers needs to be tweaked to match a career/character that has tactic/stance setup that brings them to higher values. That just trivializes those tactics/stance choices.

My SW is almost exclusively in Skirmish stance, since he lacks the RR to do the assault burst meme, and typically uses instinctive aim only, which is something like 120 BS. Sure, it's a pretty good chunk, but even without taking that into account, my WP is has nearly 300 less than my SW, and my SW is covered in Ruin and not much else. I can push the WP to 800 STR but doing so requires sacrificing literally everything else and equipping inefficient gear just for set bonuses.

I do wish WP had the Brute Force tactic. Although like I said earlier in the thread, it'd be unusable since you are forced to have divine fury/fanaticism/hasted divinity and almost always intimidating repent takes the last slot.

[Unstoppable1776]

It’s funny how all the WP are all crying about not getting all their defensive tools. Welcome to the dps dok torture. Welcome to not being a super tank dps. The devs did the smart move not putting it in the grace tree. One could spec AOE detaunt, extra heals, and still be OP.

Also Wrath tree does have a tactic for healing yourself off dmg for wrath, another cookie you guys get. Trust me WP have their own set of tactics.

As far as the set tactic slots, Doks are in the same boat! But that’s like a majority of the classes.

This ability definitely should not be lowered. The ability should come at a price and make it 16 points to get.

The grass is not greener on the other side.