Client crashers

[Zealote]

Unfortunately I don't have any vids as I said, so obv I couldn't fairly report the individual players (and I didn't/wouldn't try to). I think I'm happy with my original post though, even one member doing it contradicts the requirement that members be 'mature' imo, and therein lies the 'hilarity' ( ) I referred to.

I do have a diff pic though, and I think it's reasonable to say that someone using BoB to avoid dying *may* well be one of the ppl who also crashes their client. The standard of proof probably isn't high enough for a warning or whatever, but that's fine since that wasn't what I was trying to do by posting anyway. I think you can make out the guild name, if I've uploaded it properly (oh and btw is there a way to get rid of that circle with the class icon lol?)

[Coryphaus]

Multiple players do this but as far a ive seen its only really when it comes to lairs, had a sw the other day log in while we were waiting on elf lair then when we started attacking them they force crashed out then they would wait 2-3mins then spawn back in again, that person did this multiple times

[Azarael]

Is 50-100 renown for killing someone really SO important? Crashed client? Who cares, he ran away, he lost.


Seems like injured pride for me. "Oh, i did not kill him, he doesn't learned his lesson, all is lost!!!".

This is a violation of respect.

When you log into the server with the intent of doing PvP, you go in there with the expectation both that your opponents will be killed by you and you will be killed by your opponents. Those are the rules of the game. None have the right to crash the client or use any meta-procedure to escape combat, because that is placing themselves above the other players in the game and their right to expect a kill where they have worked for one.

This is probably done for trolling purposes. Anyone who truly has pride knows that if you had to crash the client to dodge a death, you did so because you lost. There are no automated recording addons to fool by a client crash, so there is no other purpose in doing this.

If I were to do something to punish this, I would simply render the abusing players unable to deal any damage in PvP. If they can't respect the fundamental rules, they should get out of the lakes and go play with the mobs, where they can crash all they want.

[Luth]

AltF4 idiot after "mission-accomplished":

Spoiler:

[jonathanmurphy3]

Unfortunately I don't have any vids as I said, so obv I couldn't fairly report the individual players (and I didn't/wouldn't try to). I think I'm happy with my original post though, even one member doing it contradicts the requirement that members be 'mature' imo, and therein lies the 'hilarity' ( ) I referred to.

I do have a diff pic though, and I think it's reasonable to say that someone using BoB to avoid dying *may* well be one of the ppl who also crashes their client. The standard of proof probably isn't high enough for a warning or whatever, but that's fine since that wasn't what I was trying to do by posting anyway. I think you can make out the guild name, if I've uploaded it properly (oh and btw is there a way to get rid of that circle with the class icon lol?)

BoB doesn't equate to crashing client, buddy.

I said the claims were fictitious because you were claiming that several members of my guild are doing it, but you can only bring to attention one member (and I am not condoning his actions, and as his older brother have told him to stop =p)

I can't control every member of my guild - particularly family members - and I would like to think that, despite the trash talking, we are a mature guild that do focus on getting results. I'll make it known to everyone that crashing is not acceptable.

[Zealote]

Thank you for tht pic Luth -.- Prob accurate but still

Spoiler:

Unfortunately I don't have any vids as I said, so obv I couldn't fairly report the individual players (and I didn't/wouldn't try to). I think I'm happy with my original post though, even one member doing it contradicts the requirement that members be 'mature' imo, and therein lies the 'hilarity' ( ) I referred to.

I do have a diff pic though, and I think it's reasonable to say that someone using BoB to avoid dying *may* well be one of the ppl who also crashes their client. The standard of proof probably isn't high enough for a warning or whatever, but that's fine since that wasn't what I was trying to do by posting anyway. I think you can make out the guild name, if I've uploaded it properly (oh and btw is there a way to get rid of that circle with the class icon lol?)

BoB doesn't equate to crashing client, buddy.

I said the claims were fictitious because you were claiming that several members of my guild are doing it, but you can only bring to attention one member (and I am not condoning his actions, and as his older brother have told him to stop =p)

I can't control every member of my guild - particularly family members - and I would like to think that, despite the trash talking, we are a mature guild that do focus on getting results. I'll make it known to everyone that crashing is not acceptable.

You're right, but I think it's clear that I wasn't equating the two when I wrote "*may* well be one of the ppl...". I think we can say though that using BoB to escape death and crashing the client to escape death are part of the same 'class of behaviour', so it doesn't take much of a leap to say that someone who (regularly) does one, very likely also (regularly) does the other.

Just to be clear, I stated that two - not several - of your members regularly do/did it. I haven't proven that the 2nd LDE guildie I originally referred to regularly crashes his/her client, but I have shown them engaging in a behaviour which is essentially the same in spirit. That, along with knowing that most of the regulars on the server are well aware of who the other person is and that they do indeed crash their client etc, is gd enough to support my original post imo (though not, ofc, gd enough to report specific individuals).

You might not be able to control their behaviour, but you can control their membership in your guild. I think members' behaviour reflects upon their guild, particularly when it's one of the more selective guilds like LDE.

All that said, I'm glad to hear that you're against it and so will presumably take action against any guildies engaging in it in future. Thanks

[jonathanmurphy3]

But don't you see how much of a strawman argument that was? "Because this person uses BoB - like a SIGNIFICANT portion of the playerbase - THEREFORE, using that warped logic, they COULD ALSO be a client crasher" Nah buddy - doesn't work like that.

Essentially the same in spirit? Crashing your client and using a BoB are completely different. The person may have used the BoB, and THEN got attacked by people: we don't know. We are relying on verbatim, word-of-mouth - aka what you're saying - for this.
No, it's not good enough. One of them, as I have said, does use it, and will stop: but you can't accuse another one of client crashing, with no empirical proofs, and instead inferring from the usage of BoB that 'oh well, the person PROBABLY crashes their client, too'.

Khorse is one of the best players in the game (as he was on live) I'll control his behavior, if you can refrain from posting fictitious posts calling out people in my guild that have done nothing wrong (you said two people are client crashers, I await your empirical proofs)

just OT: my brother's pretty much built like a tank in reallife hehe, but the photo was a nice touch.

[Azarael]

I feel obliged to point out that the only person I've ever seen Booking out of combat was Zonder.

[Ototo]

But don't you see how much of a strawman argument that was? "Because this person uses BoB - like a SIGNIFICANT portion of the playerbase - THEREFORE, using that warped logic, they COULD ALSO be a client crasher" Nah buddy - doesn't work like that.

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The coloured part. I never, and i repeat, NEVER, thought in breaking a combat in PvP using the Book of Binding. That u see this as normal just astonish me. Its SOOOOOOO rare that that picture up there its the second time ever that i see a person using it to break combat when loosing. Honestly, that u see it as normal just make me think in u as a bad looser, or a person surrounded by them. If u loose a combat in PvP, u die, then respawn in ur warcamp, and return or log off. There is not a single way that u can make me think in BoB or Game Crash as normal. Its plenty unrespectfull with the others. If u dont want to die, go to PvE zone, the mobs there doesnt care at all for this and u can use as many ways as u want to scape death.

[Kaowiec]

LOL jonathanmurphy3 crashing your client and using a BoB are completely different? And cmon someone got attacked after BoB:D Both things in rvr are used for one and one thing only escaping death. Dont try defend ppl (guild mates mostly as i understand) we all here long enough to know how things works.