It is additive for heal and dps. The IB version and the SM version work the same way. This has been tested.
Busting two myths about BG
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
It is, and it was because one of the devs here on RoR thought an ability giving -45% chance to be crit was ridiculously OP (it's not). Think it was Aza before he left. It should probably be turned back to an additive effect again. Has anyone tested how this interacts with crit chances below 0? Does it then increase your chance to be crit? Or does it at least have the sanity check of not affecting anything below 0?
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
Regarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.popperz wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)
Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
It's not a display bug, it's an intended change on RoR from a few years back. Stupid as ****, but intended.Omegus wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 pmRegarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.popperz wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)
Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.
https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP
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Kalyth - BG
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Kalyth - BG
Re: Busting two myths about BG
After much digging I found where the change happened: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241. This is the kind of **** that needs to be on the wiki. This even happened before the wiki was updated. Random changes that go against how everything usually works must be documented properly with the tooltips clearly stating it. Much like the armour buff stacking with other buffs (why??).Vayra wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:02 pmIt's not a display bug, it's an intended change on RoR from a few years back. Stupid as ****, but intended.Omegus wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 pmRegarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.popperz wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)
Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.
https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP
Zomega
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
If you feel motivated, submit it to bugtracker with proposal to edit a tooltip. It is outdated or not clear enough and that is it.Omegus wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:12 pmAfter much digging I found where the change happened: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241. This is the kind of **** that needs to be on the wiki. This even happened before the wiki was updated. Random changes that go against how everything usually works must be documented properly with the tooltips clearly stating it. Much like the armour buff stacking with other buffs (why??).
It was very fun to think that I am an uber utility tank, dynamically protecting a focused target f.e. in ranked....-45% critrate is reasonable, also dynamic switching of protector makes it even skill dependent.
Started testing, when my so skillfully "protected" targets died like flies anyway

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Re: Busting two myths about BG
aSW's crosscut ability has the same "misleading" tooltip as Crimson Death and I imagine that the IB's Kneecapper has the same % based effect as Crush the Weak.
How do you even notify the devs about tooltips errors?
How do you even notify the devs about tooltips errors?
Re: Busting two myths about BG
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Firsly, you need a proof. Like testing with data. If you have this - there is bugtracker.
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Re: Busting two myths about BG
But aren't the skills working as intended? Didn't they change CtW/Kneecapper to be % based themselves? Makes no sense to me.
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