WL parry strikethrough / armor pen /+ dmg.

[Sinisterror]

10% Parry strike through when using 2h was the thing that made all High elfs insanely powerful. Dps Am can have permanent 25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough on Asyryan Skills. Sm gets 30% Parry 20% Block strikethru.

Sm can also spec to Blinding Strike which reduces all defenses by 10% Bríngin all High Elfs to a insane lvl that no one can block/parry/disrupt... Makes 0% Sense to have All high elfs have so high strikethrough possibilities that basically only tank has a chance to block etc=)

[Farrul]

Loner Wl is the most boring spec in this entire game, it had some ''fun'' moments with a spammable Pounce/60ft a few years ago. I would need to get paid by the hour to play this empty husk of a spec which tells us all about the Pet failures of the class.

How about the Loner tactic is removed from the game, and finally the WL pet is fixed/made not 95% useless so that WL like the rest of the aoe mdps classes could have class CC?

Imagine pulling people like a Mara in a group fight for easy renown

[Tisaya]

10% Parry strike through when using 2h was the thing that made all High elfs insanely powerful. Dps Am can have permanent 25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough on Asyryan Skills. Sm gets 30% Parry 20% Block strikethru.

Sm can also spec to Blinding Strike which reduces all defenses by 10% Bríngin all High Elfs to a insane lvl that no one can block/parry/disrupt... Makes 0% Sense to have All high elfs have so high strikethrough possibilities that basically only tank has a chance to block etc=)

Let's conveniently forget absolutely insane parry/block numbers easily achieved by destro classes.

[Zxul]

10% Parry strike through when using 2h was the thing that made all High elfs insanely powerful. Dps Am can have permanent 25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough on Asyryan Skills. Sm gets 30% Parry 20% Block strikethru.

Sm can also spec to Blinding Strike which reduces all defenses by 10% Bríngin all High Elfs to a insane lvl that no one can block/parry/disrupt... Makes 0% Sense to have All high elfs have so high strikethrough possibilities that basically only tank has a chance to block etc=)

Let's conveniently forget absolutely insane parry/block numbers easily achieved by destro classes.

Mind telling me which classes are those, exactly?

Because only destro class with a high parry is snb chosen- tactic (requires block)+ ability+ renown. Bg- only gets max 25% parry from tactic, and even that only as long as he stays somehow at 100 hate without spending it, 10% from bbbe 2h proc, +renown. BO- gets 10% to max 20% parry from tactic, and it doesn't lasts since he needs to change plans.

That's while IB can provide +24% parry (direct buff + init buff) not only to himself but also to 2 other toons- of any class. Not mirrored on destro.

Block- only thing with a high block on destro side are BO+bg block channels, which have a cd and can be interrupted. Not to mention, bg one has a 20 sec cd while lasts 10 sec, and BO one comes with a speed debuff. While sm channel mirror comes with the same 5 sec cd as BO one, but without the speed debuff.

That's while from other hand, destro side has nothing mirroring wl's 30% parry strikethrough. Only mdps which can even get 2h is choppa, and 2h for choppa is both single target spec+ not actually a working spec. Not to mention, no 10% parry strikethrough tactic destro side.

[Sinisterror]

10% Parry strike through when using 2h was the thing that made all High elfs insanely powerful. Dps Am can have permanent 25% Disrupt/Block Strikethrough on Asyryan Skills. Sm gets 30% Parry 20% Block strikethru.

Sm can also spec to Blinding Strike which reduces all defenses by 10% Bríngin all High Elfs to a insane lvl that no one can block/parry/disrupt... Makes 0% Sense to have All high elfs have so high strikethrough possibilities that basically only tank has a chance to block etc=)

Let's conveniently forget absolutely insane parry/block numbers easily achieved by destro classes.

Im not forgetting anything, i just wasnt speaking about destro tanks. I also typoed with Sm he has 30% Block/parry strikethrough and can increase it for all classes by 10% with another tactic if you really want to nuke someones defense to having 40% Parry/block Strikethrough. And dps am to 35% Disrupt/Block strikethru. Also giving 5s cooldown to those channels (wods as well) was wrong move imo.

SM also gets insane defenses With Wods and spirit dmg proc when enemy misses you on the skill that gives 50% disrupt parry dodge, also core skill. When aoe cap was 9 and Guard mechanic worked like it did originally (and should work) meaning that If someone attacks Guard'ee with Undefendable attack, the guard dmg from that is also Undefendable... This needs to be reverted srsly and you can give Rampage back to slayer like it was 100% because it wouldnt ignore the whole point of the tank archetype. I would love to hear some explanation why,how and who changed it : D

And tbf it doesnt really matter, the insane BLOCK+PARRY numbers because your whole team will be dead when All who attack you have 30% parry/block/disrupt/dodge strikethru or even 40%. It almost erases the possibility of parry/disrupt/dodge on anyone except tank. So devs nuked rampage + slayer too much. If they switthed guyard mechanic to original and aoe cap to 9 slayers can have 100% rampage back and all nerfs reverted and no one would oppose this

Man do is miss the times with 1.15s gcd + Dps Dok glory, Devour Essence 150ft range insta full healed def target and probably everyenemy is 50% heal debuffed as well. Nowadays Dok's Warding Strike + Shatter Enchantment are very needed but no one plays dps dok. Every WB used to have at least 1 dps dok and party build around it and it worked, very well. You could shatter rampage with dps dok. Now dps dok needs to spec to a skill and then spec to a tactic to make that skill SINGLE target heal debuff??? WTF From best tactic to irrelevant gut punch that costs 2 career points. And mean while WP that used to have only 25% heal debuff 20s cooldown 10s duration.

Now its 50% and it can be kept up 100% of the time. And Order exclusively gets 25% heal debuff wpn procs to 2h WP,Slayer,IB and White Lion. If you have spammable aoe and that proc you basically have 25% aoe HD effect on 8/10 after 3 hits.

Why no one on destro can get this WPN PROC? gatekeeping heal debuff proc is insane and do not compare it to chosen aura. Welf is only one destro side that can 75% Heal debuff healer. Order has 5 that can=)

But that is probably too much actual diversity and differences in Wb's which leads to fun but fun is treated as balance problem...

[salazarn]

Trying to balance everything the same never works.

Better to let classes have defined strengths with a rock paper scissors arrangement.

Sadly I think it's too late here for that

[Tisaya]

The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

[Farrul]

Im not forgetting anything, i just wasnt speaking about destro tanks. I also typoed with Sm he has 30% Block/parry strikethrough and can increase it for all classes by 10% with another tactic if you really want to nuke someones defense to having 40% Parry/block Strikethrough. And dps am to 35% Disrupt/Block strikethru. Also giving 5s cooldown to those channels (wods as well) was wrong move imo.

SM also gets insane defenses With Wods and spirit dmg proc when enemy misses you on the skill that gives 50% disrupt parry dodge, also core skill.

Where does SM get 30% block( or even parry) strikethrough?

7-9% parry strikethrough from Str and another 10% from 2H = 17-18 %. 30% block strikethrough??


It is true SM can increase with tactics such as dicerning offence , but again apples and oranges, pros and cons etc. Chosen can put on a tactic that gives - 10 crit chance or BO +160 wounds , BG has tactic that increases toughness by 45% (which is insane, like most BG stuffs) etc etc.

As for Wods, it was already nerfed with a CD and can be easily interrupted, apart from that SM is a fragile 2H tank so offence has always been their gist & theme.


Not sure exactly what this thread is trying to say other than complain about WL aoe, now also other high elves classes? I mean the spec loner has all the class CC and a lot of utility / tactics disabled for crying out lout.. damage is all it has left, if you want to nerf that then CC/utility must be increased.

Just look at the Marauder, super tanky ( with guard even tankier than a tank ) with insane CC ( aoe stun, ever annoying pull) and still ok-ish aoe dps. WL is just a fragile glass cannon with no CC and pounce which has been nerfed to the ground already.

[Farrul]

The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

With WL aoe , you'll want Loner/hack n slash/Tearing blade/Brute Force. Honestly using dicering offence is not even optimal and has an opportunity cost, i know many BIS WL that never even use this tactic due to the strong alternatives already mentioned. I never used it myself the few times i played this god awful boring spec because i could not drop more vital tactics.

Problem is players( destro mostly) who has never even played the class look at things in a vacuum, then complain about it. Definitely the destro blob is getting out of hand lately, i can't even find small scale roamers anymore ( maybe they are afraid of SM block strikethrough?? ).

[Sinisterror]

The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

I didnt forget chosen aura i even mentioned it, youve now tried this " conveniently " thing twice can you actually say something? Besides im not destro im not order i play all classes, well played is more accurate.