since we are out of balance thread i also remember the previously BG thread to gone in the same way; some suggestion were made as a brainstorming i think it's all good if we keep make suggestion and then when something pop/reach consensun get discuss ... or not? i mean we need to decide a starting point.Natherul wrote:Alright guys, the way this topic is heading its going for a close due to balance discussion outside of a balance discussion.
I want to keep some threads open so you can try and figure out what exactly is wrong with a class so you can prep for a balance proposal, this is the reason why I have not yet closed this thread.
So if this thread is to stay open lets find an issue, then come up with how to solve it and then post a proposal on it
@ten personally i do not have a clear idea regarding BG role be it offensive or defensive i rather move to cross mirror stuff (not perfect mirror to clarify for others) and catch ideas there on the way because is easier to balance those stuff by cross mirror than create skill x se for me; Tough if we really want remain on the debuffer theme, even have 100 debuff of every kind dosen't suit well if you cant have all up togheter: exemple the wounds debuff tactic allow you to have both the main dmg skill spam (murderoush wrath) the chance to wounds debuff and also allow you to proc an auto attack increase. This is skill economy that BG need as breed on the other 2 mastery as well. Because this is exatly what other tanks have
stat steal /auras/ skill + tactics that became aoe cc / skill + tactics that became aoe / defensive self buff passive
BG miss this economy and also have some hard to balance utility with a lot of his stuff duplicate among tank/healers. Tought BO snare spam is excessive, a CD should be put on the tactic not inferior to 30 sec (same goes for kobs something should be done in that regard so they are not imo the best exemple to balance BG).
maybe it would be better start with 1 mastery as the previously thread instead focus on the single skill, i think either middle again for durability or right for support even outside 2h ,what you guys think? you prefer a skill to skill approach? personally Bor should be spamable or have a 5 sec CD (5 sec just becuase you also dot with snare otherwise should be spamable for granted).
May also even get take into consideration that with all the past fix to BG they all improved the cross mirror with kobs
"CD" buff with kobs "press the attack", kobs nerf to "dirty tricks" is now more balanced also with "crush the weak" max 20% st vs 5% to 6 ppl; what remain is just the heal increase to the whole group on the third path. Since both CD and crush the weak are main BG utility skill maybe a fix in that direction of cross mirror all the strongest kobs tactics in every path could be enough/ or at least an important step to do first. So the next one would be the healing tactic.
In fact you could gain a moral boost for all party dropping a zealot for a shammy this way. You would also gain a aoe /group snare pot to help with snare things.
i think regardless that for fix 2h you need either way to pass throught the KD discussion and the durability discussion so we are around left and mid path; while if you talk about s+b we are around mid+right + Bor skill/ W-debuff, tough the bad state 1 starting point is equal to another one but anyway malice is in a better shape than the other 2 mastery, quite optimal i'd say for rvr at least.
