Patch Notes 06/07/2018

[zgolec]

Just wanted to say something about the post of giving the 2h channel ability by torque. If you give it to BO, then other tanks will cry and you will have to give it to other tanks and so on and so forth. It also doesn't fit thematically for an orc to have the finesse required to like beat arrows away with his axe and so on. Imo, it's better to just give them a few good defensive tactics or add parry/dodge/disrupt etc. as buff effects on some of their 2h-specific attacks. This would bring them in line with some other tanks, rather than make a unique ability more common.

They alrdy gave it to BG :p

Ill wait till KOTBS get one

...from lorewise skill [best swordsman in the world] that made this class unique its now free for all ;/ or at least for most. i see SM got it |BG... Bo will have it/ so thats 2 tank classes for destro 1 for order. So eitehr gotta give it to kotbs or IB ;p

[joaolol]

Spoiler:

Good stuff, and now its not completely overshadowed by simply rolling with a shield and loling at people who use a 2h on BO we can pull it all together. So after playing 2h what does it need? Thats not sarcasm btw.

I'll admit I don't have any experience playing BO but this is my take when trying to objectively compare all tanks in the game.

I think 2h BO lacks the "oh ****" button and a way to effortlessly stack parry like every other effective 2h tank.

SM- WoDS, eagles flight(+25% parry), tactics for parry increase
IB- oathbound(+25% parry), skin of iron, watch an learn(+WS)
KoBTS: Vigilance, runefang(+240WS), emperor's champion(+240wounds/tough) or guardian of light(3600dmg absorb)
BG: Anger drives me(~30% parry), new 15pt ability, ease of stacking to capped toughness if you desire, m1 equivalent to cleansing wind3
Ch: Suppression(+25% parry), tzeench's amplification, auras, Opression(not sure if any 2h ch take this)

BO: Can't hit me needs shield, good wif shield, less stabbin me tactic only provides 5/10% parry 2/3 of the time, unique m2 is a total joke.

As we can see BO is clearly unlike the others when it comes to defenses. It certainly has the damage and utility to bring to the table but not the ability to stack up large amounts of parry, huge stat bonuses, or flat -dmg% to not be a total punching bag and liability without the shield.

something like....



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Also the animation on that is amazing, I just didnt have in this version of client, feel free to offer suggestions

Awsome!! Looking forward to this change and more changes like these to all classes. 2h BO needed some love!
Great job with client control aswell, im getting hyped with the potential improvments in the game!

[marisco]

...from lorewise skill [best swordsman in the world] that made this class unique its now free for all ;/ or at least for most. i see SM got it |BG... Bo will have it/ so thats 2 tank classes for destro 1 for order. So eitehr gotta give it to kotbs or IB ;p

Black Guards are literally trained in contests of death to be the best warriors in Naggaroth and the bodyguards of Malekith. Do you think they wouldn't be able to spin a halberd to deflect arrows?

BO is a another story, I agree.

[Acidic]

Nice changes , looking good for the future
But on the BO change a bit of a shame that the change was made without any support of the 2h surviability issues mentioned in most of the BO balance threads.
But ignoring negative stuff nice to see SH changes

[anarchypark]

BO is top dps tank.
not having same defence, it's trade off.
as dps, pretty sure 25% crit dmg tactic is more valuable than any defensive skills.

if dps BO want defensive tools, they have to give up some dmg IMO.

[zumos2]

BO is top dps tank.

Just not true lol

[lastalien]

I don’t understand why so much whine on changes , when you already accept tons of changes from mythic ? Some of you are saying that 1.4.8 is what we should play on this sever because you don’t like changes . But it means you accept mythic changes from 0.1.2 to 1.4.8 . If you really hate change then you should ask for game first version . I don’t remember player whining so much when mythic made balance , ofc nothing is perfect and we can change it back if it’s broken or not good . So test thing and then we will made constructive feedback

nice changes

bb ror

[peterthepan3]

BO is top dps tank.
not having same defence, it's trade off.
as dps, pretty sure 25% crit dmg tactic is more valuable than any defensive skills.

if dps BO want defensive tools, they have to give up some dmg IMO.

A BO can, in theory, do the most burst DPS of any tank, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he ought to be able to function as an offensive tank, too: functioning as an offensive tank means being able to dish out damage, while maintaining sufficient levels of avoidance. As it stands, the only 2h BO I see doing this at the moment is Dalgri: he is rr80, BIS gear, uses defensive RR - and even then, I am sure he'd admit that SNB BO is probably better to bring than a 2h BO for the role of DPS Tank (at the moment).

2H Brawler BO has the worst avoidance of all tanks, so a parry buff/WODS equivalent wouldn't be asking too much whatsoever, imo. 2H SM is much more lethal than a 2H BO, btw - doing (marginally) less burst on squishies, while exceeding BO damage on every other target.

[live4treasure]

Just not WoDS, imo. It doesn't fit lorewise and it devalues the ability itself. I believe that BG and SM are thematically good for such an ability, but the BO that relies on brute force and animal cunning doesn't seem like the kind of class that could use his axe to deflect incoming arrows. Imo, parry buff is fine if it is tied in some way to 2h exclusively.

The reason is also because if you give BO WoDS, there will come a point at which you may start to consider giving IB WoDS and so on and so forth. It'll just result in power creep that doesn't serve any good purpose.

[peterthepan3]

Just not WoDS, imo. It doesn't fit lorewise and it devalues the ability itself. I believe that BG and SM are thematically good for such an ability, but the BO that relies on brute force and animal cunning doesn't seem like the kind of class that could use his axe to deflect incoming arrows. Imo, parry buff is fine if it is tied in some way to 2h exclusively.

The reason is also because if you give BO WoDS, there will come a point at which you may start to consider giving IB WoDS and so on and so forth. It'll just result in power creep that doesn't serve any good purpose.

Fair points.