Something unfair about the classes

[wonshot]

Even though I disagree with the statement about not being able to win in even numbers, it has for sure gotten harder after BW M2 was taken away and nothing was given back in return.

No AoE knockdown on Order makes it insanely hard to fight the utility warbands of destro, when Order really only had damage and the M2 drop to turn the tides.

Add on top how much destro warband leaders are afraid to go around solo without some coordinated flanks by other warbands (order is doing the same **** on wendsdays, i know..)

[Tesq]

The only prob of gtdc is the conjunctiom of range+speed buf as i said above, des wb have a slight advantage currently is dependand from other issues namely sw/engi /wl not having access to an aoe armor debuff.

Of course if order build around have a cloth wb with bw and the other realm can have a melee wb the things go in favour of the one with best def aka melee one, sincea mara and a bw can take both the same magic dmg but a bw will take more dmg from melee attacks than a bw. GoM is one of those probs.

Order also lack an aoe kd, should had given to wh dragon gun instead leave a bad moral tactic and then create a redundant skill 2 pt higher...

[Sigimund]

Coordinated flanks are skilled play. Just hard to compete with if numbers are grossly uneven.

[oaliaen]

are we playing the same game ?
you just not using what you have , ask guys from dnd to teach you

exactly.. But you know they whine cause they want easy buttons to push.

[kauyon1]

exactly.. But you know they whine cause they want easy buttons to push.

The Destro AOE game is certainly grabbing our awe and admiration of your skills. We can't fathom how anyone plays an AOE Choppa. Certainly it requires nerfed buttons?

are we playing the same game ?
you just not using what you have , ask guys from dnd to teach you

Yes, let's ask the guys from DnD, because they are so active right now. CNTK has the remnants of whatever is left playing from DnD running in their WBs on Mondays and Wednesdays. This thread isn't a learn to play issue. The thread, while poorly constructed, was piled on by so many (and to the community manager's dismay - won't die) because it points to the problem being felt right now:

It's not rewarding to play Order right now as a whole. And more over that will mean it will not be rewarding for anyone. There are very few if any real Order distinguishers that allow either PUGs, Solos, Premade roamers or WBs to compete toe to toe. Less than 3 months ago, there were fun fights to be had. Those days are gone with the reverts on WL and the wonderous buffs given to Choppa and SH which completely fulfill Destro's melee dominance.

Telling a WB leader of CTNK (one of the only Order Guilds giving a **** with organized play) that he needs to L2P by a guild that either switched to destro or stopped playing, pretty sums of the stupidity of the lack of counter arguments here.

Players here have alts galore. Order is not squatting on their only order toons "whining" for change. They have alts. They play them. When you are upset by a mechanic that killed you, you go and play the character to understand it. That way you can figure out a counter. What's happening in nearly every TZ is that either people have:

• Fair Weathered changed to their Destro counter parts to enjoy either the FOTM/Q or the RvDoor
• Levelled new lowbie alts to enjoy scenarios again
• Are doing a massive amount of PVE to avoid PVP (I've seen steady LFG for Onslaught every day, Ruin farms filling LFG, and Gunbad galore)
• Or they are taking a break from the game because they neither enjoy fairweather RvDoor or being pull/killed constantly

Reading the different discords we are seeing an extreme undertone by many of the key guild leaderships on order. Many are breaking from the game.

The realm population is thinning. Order's RvR population is even more so. Not sure why you would want to deny the problems that exist via imbalance, but it's a dumb game to play. You are going to have to squeal for them to give you more PvE utility, because Choppa Pull and SH Tank Stomp won't mean much on your crusade of only killing Keep Lords each night.

This thread isn't just a couple of random Order that need to L2P. It's filled with the words of many of Order's key persons. And they all echo the same tone. Enjoy your RvDoor I guess. Hopefully Hargrim's PVE doesn't get interrupted because that maybe the only thing left for Order to do.

[peterthepan3]

I refer people who think that everything is doom and gloom to this link.

[kauyon1]

I refer people who think that everything is doom and gloom to this link.

In the spirit of this "whine" of this thread I have to say that obviously the placement of priority of WL is correct, but even with the acknowledgement of the Choppa's broken mechanic, it's amazing how far down it is on that list.

Otherwise, thanks for the transparency.

[peterthepan3]

I refer people who think that everything is doom and gloom to this link.

...but even with the acknowledgement of the Choppa's broken mechanic, it's amazing how far down it is on that list.

Otherwise, thanks for the transparency.

It's in Category 1: High Priority. No worries.

[porter1234]

exactly.. But you know they whine cause they want easy buttons to push.

The Destro AOE game is certainly grabbing our awe and admiration of your skills. We can't fathom how anyone plays an AOE Choppa. Certainly it requires nerfed buttons?

are we playing the same game ?
you just not using what you have , ask guys from dnd to teach you

Yes, let's ask the guys from DnD, because they are so active right now. CNTK has the remnants of whatever is left playing from DnD running in their WBs on Mondays and Wednesdays. This thread isn't a learn to play issue. The thread, while poorly constructed, was piled on by so many (and to the community manager's dismay - won't die) because it points to the problem being felt right now:

we play same nights as we always have, tues,thurs (most sundays)

[Dammy095]

and we are only organized destro guild left, so what ?
dnd kill us most of time, we kill cntk most of time
looks like l2p issue to me