WE/WH too hard burst

[Ototo]

I believe he's implying that both skills end up being such a waste of time that the healer does not need to bother detaunting.

That makes sense, but all u shouldnt dismiss the amount of dmg a 5 accusations TbP can deal in 3 secs............ Way higher than an Absolution.

[Sulorie]

I believe he's implying that both skills end up being such a waste of time that the healer does not need to bother detaunting.

Indeed, people who use such skills are not worth to detaunt. Not hating on anyone here, it's just no threat for any competent healer.
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Concerning TbP, 3 sec is a lot time, what you need is burst damage, stacked in a short time stamp, to bring down an healed enemy. TbP has many small damage hits over time, not hard to heal.
Later you would take EW or BAL and ABS when those are on cool down.

[Ototo]

Concerning TbP, 3 sec is a lot time, what you need is burst damage, stacked in a short time stamp, to bring down an healed enemy. TbP has many small damage hits over time, not hard to heal.
Later you would take EW or BAL and ABS when those are on cool down.

Underlined part: 2 GlobalCoolDowns, so u either use TbP or Absolution+Torment building a new accusation, and ur target can cast a HoT, that will not start to heal untill then next GCD, and, if Zealot or fully WaaarghMagic Shammy, an insta heal, or a shammy "deal x dmg, heal for x dmg", that again will not start to heal till then next GCD. Assuming that u are loading Confession Bullets, as u should allways be at least in this low tiers, healing at a 50% power.

Its most likely that, if u need and have those 3 secs, its simply better to unload a a TbP for a really high DPS in a short burst having them used to out-heal RazorStrike with a little healing, normally cracking them in fear while they are casting their little dmg skills.

Make ur numbers if it worth in each situation. Most not, but some does. Situational, like all skills of WE/WH out of Torment/Absolution/Feinted. Fast thinking is required to use the class properly, meaning using all skills intead of those 3. There are more things than Alpha dmg out there ;P

[sotora]

Spoiler:

Not sure about WHs but WEs at least do seem to hit really hard atm; I haven't tried it properly 1v1 but fully twinked out ones seem to be able to kill my WP even through detaunt*,

You have propably met twinked, buffed WEs that also had morale bar loaded with T1 skill, with 4-5 blood points at beggining of the fight + being ambushed and WEs having luck of overaverage number of crits.

Aside of that, in all other 95%+ cases well geared WP can easily heal thorugh WE burst.


PS. WE damage is better now than before patch because some skills that were not working correctly/at all were fixed.

You might be right - I tried it on DoK against a twinked WH and could easily outheal their dmg as ya say, and that was with them always behind me and without detaunt.. was before last patch though, doubt the same is poss now. And it's diff when you arrange it 1v1 as you're prepared, can pre-hot etc.

I find it's the kiss procs and Ruthless Assault tht tend to cause problems. The specific numbers in pic aren't really important cos I was on a lvl 7 engi in starter gear haha but you can see the number of hits I took in less than 3 secs. And ofc the procs mean you're pretty much constantly heal debuffed.

My WP's called Feyth though so if you're on would be interested in trying at some point

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm talking about healers standing and tanking, not attacking (so without using divine assault).

Ruthless assault is not actually most effeficiant way to take down your HP in shortest time possible. Unless RNG swing heavily in WE favour with number of Kisses proccing.

Anyway sure we can try. My WE is Sotora if you want to try just send me a tell in game.

[Zealote]

Ruthless assault is not actually most effeficiant way to take down your HP in shortest time possible. Unless RNG swing heavily in WE favour with number of Kisses proccing.

Anyway sure we can try. My WE is Sotora if you want to try just send me a tell in game.

I prob don't know enough about it unfortunately to have a theoretical discussion about what's (mathematically) the best approach/combo of skills to use etc. But just speaking about the current situation on RoR: in my experience of playing healers, all the dangerous WEs seem to use Ruthless Assault as often as poss, and it's the ability that really affects my hp; puncture just doesn't seem as bad when used as the primary finisher, it's usually saved till the end for db.

And thx, will msg ya next time I see you on, interested to see what happens now haha