Patch Notes 1/12/2017

[worldismine]

I do not see any problems with Riposte. Available to all mdd, not high damage. As for me, the imbalance skill is Rampage, Which gives a colossal advantage over all classes in close combat.

The mara nerf is sad, why the lions pounce not go for 13 points?

Actually, I'd call that a buff.

Ofc if you look closely.

Nerf what nerf? you still can have everything in on path, armor debuff, wounds debuff, inc healbuff tactic plus AP debuff, you still can have all goodies at rr70, why not split CC and TB to different paths? and like Middlefinger said if you check carefully, it's more like a buff than nerf.

[Penril]

why not split CC and TB to different paths?

Not until we have client control. It's mostly a tooltip's thing.

[worldismine]

why not split CC and TB to different paths?

Not until we have client control. It's mostly a tooltip's thing.

I see, thanks for the answer.

[Atropik]

Was there really an ICD tho? My memory of live days fails me on this one and the evidence attached to the bugtracker post about it is not that convincing.
I'm pretty sure I had Riposte proc on things like both of Sacrificial Stab WE (Flail, Furious Chopping-into-Slasha and a few other) hits into Untouchable in duels but that was like ages ago and I could be just imagining things at this point.

I have the same feeling, but to be honest, if we have no ICD on riposte every hit on enemy may cause him to recieve, lets say, 2k dmg (1k ability+aa+aa+proc), you may recieve 2k dmg on every of your gcd instead if he has 4 parry. That way the offence is getting punished much more to defence, this system based on luck only and looks pretty stupid.

But all 6 mdPS classes have access to Riposte. I don't see the problem; if you are getting owned by a Riposte-spec enemy, make a Riposte spec of your own.

Unless you may have "Click/press X, now you have you attacks may not be defended aganist for 10-20 seconds", and unless you may have m1 10s root.

riposte is a complete nonissue in group play

lets say group play is a complete nonissue in a Realm vs Realm zerg fest this game was designed once, thats going to be №1 reason why 6vs6 scene is dead. It was always built on friendship and someones ego but never had any kind of reward.

[Haojin]

I'm not sure about it, where is mara nerf ? Hulking Brute buff good news for WB play no ? Thunderous Blow don't require mutation>>no synergise with Piercing Bite and BG have better wound debuff and we gain Draining Swipe. Mara Sava/Bruta is always OP

If you have a BG with you yeah, TB is useless.
About the "Hulking Brute" buff, it's awesome.

Yea, not seeing much of a nerf here besides a slightly lower value of TB, which I'd say is off set by roughly 8 talismans worth of Ini for Monstro.

agree, hulking brute buff is too much tbh.

360 stat point for a tactic in a particular stance is too much for one stance but not 2 others?

the thing is : PB - GI - FoF is must for most of the times and 4th tactic is generally optional like DC-DI-BF-FL ; simply there is no spot for that sweet ST-CE tactics for marauder cause the other 4 tactic is better than them. Maybe an exception for ST tho, 160 init buff is so good.

about the hulking brute : toughness buff become awesome after you changed stacking rules for it, simply 360 toughness buff with tactic + ferocious assault. now same rules with 160 (from tactic) +160 initiative (from black orc) , so total 680 stat buff for single tactic.

another note : it's personal but hulking brute wasn't a core tactic for warband spec for marauder, mostly using by solo monstro ones like me; marauders base damage is too low, you simply can't leave your offensive tactics for extra defense; otherwise you'll hit like a wet noodle.

[wargrimnir]

the thing is : PB - GI - FoF is must for most of the times and 4th tactic is generally optional like DC-DI-BF-FL ; simply there is no spot for that sweet ST-CE tactics for marauder cause the other 4 tactic is better than them. Maybe an exception for ST tho, 160 init buff is so good.

about the hulking brute : toughness buff become awesome after you changed stacking rules for it, simply 360 toughness buff with tactic + ferocious assault. now same rules with 160 (from tactic) +160 initiative (from black orc) , so total 720 stat buff for single tactic.

another note : it's personal but hulking brute wasn't a core tactic for warband spec for marauder, mostly using by solo monstro ones like me; marauders base damage is too low, you simply can't leave your offensive tactics for extra defense; otherwise you'll hit like a wet noodle.

So it was a significant buff to a tactic that will never be taken anyway because all your other tactics are too good?

[Darosh]

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[Dalgrimar]

So it was nificant buff to a tactic that will never be taken anyway because all your other tactics are too good?

More like other tactics are needed if you want to stay a dps class.

[Nabaro]

Nerf what nerf? you still can have everything in on path, armor debuff, wounds debuff, inc healbuff tactic plus AP debuff, you still can have all goodies at rr70...

How many maraders at rr70? 12? This is not a argument. Low lvl maradeur has nerfed. Yes, the marauder does not have the variability of the builds. But instead of changing useless skills and tactics, they complicates the obtaining of useful ones.

And still Draining Swipe =\= Pounce, when nerf WLs?

[Hargrim]

And still Draining Swipe =\= Pounce, when nerf WLs?

WL was nerfed already and not once. Go read the past change logs.