[KOTBS] "Destroy Confidence" tactic discussion

[Nishka]

nono enchantment or blessing one or the other and only one buff at a time.

i feel that this is the best solution

allow the tactic to enable the removal either one but only one at a time

No one sane will waste a slot for such tactic. Ever.

[elpibedebari88]

This thread would be much more useful if expert KOTBS players would discuss their build, how to behave in scenario/rvr, which skills to use etc etc. It would really help new players and players who want to try the KOTBS for the first time.

15 pages of pointless discussion on a tactic doesn't seem great.

My 2 cents.

[Nishka]

This thread would be much more useful if expert KOTBS players would discuss their build, how to behave in scenario/rvr, which skills to use etc etc. It would really help new players and players who want to try the KOTBS for the first time.

15 pages of pointless discussion on a tactic doesn't seem great.

My 2 cents.

You're right of course. But...
All as usual.

1. take a skill/tactic you hate
2. come up with a random situation/scenario where this skill/tactic can be used at great effect
3. describe your inability to deal with it under very specific conditions
4. ask for nerf

[Bretin]

This thread would be much more useful if expert KOTBS players would discuss their build, how to behave in scenario/rvr, which skills to use etc etc. It would really help new players and players who want to try the KOTBS for the first time.

15 pages of pointless discussion on a tactic doesn't seem great.

My 2 cents.

You're right of course. But...
All as usual.

1. take a skill/tactic you hate
2. come up with a random situation/scenario where this skill/tactic can be used at great effect
3. describe your inability to deal with it under very specific conditions
4. ask for nerf

if you use a quote, make sure you link the original author or use the quote function

These kind of threads follow a simple algorithm.

1. take a skill you hate
2. come up with a random situation/scenario where this skill can be used at great effect
3. describe your inability to deal with it under very specific conditions
4. ask for nerf

[Nishka]

It's well-known quote, so doesn't really mater.
And I changed it a bit because destros may start crying: but he was talking about skiiiiiils.... Uf uf uf... T_T

[Nameless]

the thing is that there isnt any argument for not changing the tactic, while there are tons of argument why should be changed

[Nishka]

the thing is that there isnt any argument for not changing the tactic, while there are tons of argument why should be changed

You were proposed to change the tactic from remove enchanment to remove blessings. As a shaman you should be happy.
But as I stated before, destros don't want to change the tactic. They want to kill it. Render useless.

Predicting: bah you sait it'z alreadi uselez!
Answering: It's not worth it's slot while there are much better and reliable tactics avaible. But they will get nerfed and then me and other kotbs players may revalue the worth of this tactic.

[Tklees]

This is getting to be kinda priceless at this point. But I think most of us agree that changing it to be able to remove both blessings and enchantments but only one at a time is completely fine by me.

I am also ok with the tactic removing the cooldown on it for a slight ap cost increase.

The tactic is OP due to this Nishka.
Shaman uses 3 abilities on target A. (About 5 seconds to do all this)
Kotbs with tactic slotted uses DC on target A. (1 second)

Your argument is that the shaman will just reapply the hots. In the time it takes him to the kotbs can strip all of them off again. That's the reason. Do you understand?

[Gobtar]

Thanks TK and Toldavf for your thoughts on my suggestions.
@Az what did you think of my suggestions.

I think having "remove the CD for S-C" brings it inline power wise. It still will be a great tactic when dealing with Shamans but you aren't cutting out 3 for 1 (AP/GCD Economy)

AND/OR

allow D-C tactic to remove 1 blessing or enchantment. This is well worth a tactic slot and makes the knights S-C useful in all fields of play. (This suggestion is also inline because S-C is NOT a core ability)

...I think most of us agree that changing it to be able to remove both blessings and enchantments but only one at a time is completely fine by me.

I am also ok with the tactic removing the cooldown on it for a slight ap cost increase.

[Nishka]

This is getting to be kinda priceless at this point. But I think most of us agree that changing it to be able to remove both blessings and enchantments but only one at a time is completely fine by me.

I am also ok with the tactic removing the cooldown on it for a slight ap cost increase.

The tactic is OP due to this Nishka.
Shaman uses 3 abilities on target A. (About 5 seconds to do all this)
Kotbs with tactic slotted uses DC on target A. (1 second)

Your argument is that the shaman will just reapply the hots. In the time it takes him to the kotbs can strip all of them off again. That's the reason. Do you understand?

Do you play kotbs? Would you slot this tactic instead of +10% crit for you group? That's the answer.
I'm not opposed to changes though. As I said above, with the changes to other KOTBS tactic we may have a free slot in the future. Than we'll see a lot of use for this tactic and shamans won't feel good.
That's why I propose blessing removal instead of enchanment.
Before you say it's still op, don't forget that kotbs doesn't have any heal debuff but weak 25% aura, reducing only outgoing heal.
And will you dare to say that removal of 3 blessing (which may be hots, or may be not) renders a healer more useless than a 20sec 50% heal debuff that some tanks can apply... to multiple healers.