Update 01/09

[Jaycub]

The chosen/knight aura change I didn't understand. The middle man Az cut out still required players to remember to twist by tapping a keybind every few seconds. There are many fights where people forget to twist auras. You even hear good players in ventrilo say after fights, oops, they forgot to twist that whole time...

Because a simple AHK script or Addon can completely automate it. It was shitty awful game design.

[Mez]

Well I just told you why shattered limbs is fine. The fact people can't 'deal' with it is on the community player base RoR attracts and retains.

You have a magus asking you to nerf group cleanse. And that puts it on the table? Group cleanse WAS the nerf. Warrior Priests used to group cleanse every time they group healed. Mythic completely nerfed the tactic to where you had to actually equip, and then cast cleanse, if you wanted to use it. Then destro got it for mirroring. They even explained in their patch they wanted a healer to make a decision to either heal via cleansing, or use the global to cast a heal instead.

[Renork]

Well I just told you why shattered limbs is fine. The fact people can't 'deal' with it is on the community player base RoR attracts and retains.

You have a magus asking you to nerf group cleanse. And that puts it on the table? Group cleanse WAS the nerf. Warrior Priests used to group cleanse every time they group healed. Mythic completely nerfed the tactic to where you had to actually equip, and then cast cleanse, if you wanted to use it. Then destro got it for mirroring. They even explained in their patch they wanted a healer to make a decision to either heal via cleansing, or use the global to cast a heal instead.

I don't recall asking for a group cleanse nerf. I stated increasing the cap to level 27 would destroy magus/engs. If the cap is raised to level 31, then we can at least rift people around and be somewhat "useful" to semi-decent pugs and pre-mades. If you raise the cap to level 27 and leave it there, then we lose all of our "damage", which is not even that good to begin with. Magi start to shine with rr's and better gear.

[Penril]

Well I just told you why shattered limbs is fine. The fact people can't 'deal' with it is on the community player base RoR attracts and retains.

You have a magus asking you to nerf group cleanse. And that puts it on the table? Group cleanse WAS the nerf. Warrior Priests used to group cleanse every time they group healed. Mythic completely nerfed the tactic to where you had to actually equip, and then cast cleanse, if you wanted to use it. Then destro got it for mirroring. They even explained in their patch they wanted a healer to make a decision to either heal via cleansing, or use the global to cast a heal instead.

Tell you what, if Shatered Limbs is fine then give it to Choppas. Exchange Bad Gas! with Chop Fasta!. Order won't complain because Shattered Limbs is fine. Hell, they will be able to drink an AP pot when they get hit with it.

I usually agree with you but this is not the case. The only thing worse than archetype (lack of) balance, ie. KotBS vs Sm, is Realm balance (having one side with much better tools than the other one). Even if you keep all the most OP skills and tactics in the game, at least you must make sure the other realm has access to them as well.

[Mez]

The Chosen/Knight aura mechanic ARE paladins from dark age of camelot. That mechanic was unique and a staple for the mark jacobs RvR brands, even with Twista. And now it's dead. Just saying. I could give you lists and lists of arguments of balance changes, that doesn't mean I think this project should just go forth and change the world. If I was an old school player, and I found out Witch Elves had Repel Blasphemy, a free, insta, 5-second 100% parry buff, I would be happy of course, but nostalgically sad. The game would not be a throw back at all. Give Magus morale 2 UF, and throwing arm. Give blackguards 5-sec aoe kd Cave Win. Give shamans wild healing. Give destro an actual ranged KD like BW and SW have. You can go through this entire game and make changes all day long. It doesn't make it right. Just saying again, as it's apparently my role to be the conservationist elitist. I don't mind doing it.

[Mez]

Grulo it makes me sad you think are asking for Choppas to have shattered limbs, when chop fasta is the key to the only destro bomb group build/infernal wave spam. But wtv.

[Mez]

You put shattered limbs on my zealot, im STILL casting group heal, 2 seconds later it's off cooldown. In the mean time. I get a shield, dark medicine, flash heal, base line hot, spread hot (leaping alteration) renewing group ritual...it's not OP, it's only OP because there's bad players with forum access.

[Mez]

The chosen/knight aura change I didn't understand. The middle man Az cut out still required players to remember to twist by tapping a keybind every few seconds. There are many fights where people forget to twist auras. You even hear good players in ventrilo say after fights, oops, they forgot to twist that whole time...

Because a simple AHK script or Addon can completely automate it. It was shitty awful game design.

That's fanastic, but i dont know anyone doing that, or know how to do that. There was no addon that I'm aware to automate pushing keybinds for you. Even nerf buttons required keybinds to be pushed, putting Nerf buttons on par with what Twista was doing.

If it's really so simple. grats, 9/10 tanks were not running around with automated scripts to twist twist for them. You can't stop all the nerds. There was even multiboxers in the game, it's hard to stop everything all the time.

[Penril]

You put shattered limbs on my zealot, im STILL casting group heal, 2 seconds later it's off cooldown. In the mean time. I get a shield, dark medicine, flash heal, base line hot, spread hot (leaping alteration) renewing group ritual...it's not OP, it's only OP because there's bad players with forum access.

Ok, you have convinced me that it is not as bad as it sounds. And you are also correct that it is mostly a problem for bad players.

Then again, the majority of players are bad or, as they like to call themselves, casual. And having these Realm imbalances is what drives them off the game. There is a reason why WAR lost 800k subs in the first year.

[Coryphaus]

You put shattered limbs on my zealot, im STILL casting group heal, 2 seconds later it's off cooldown. In the mean time. I get a shield, dark medicine, flash heal, base line hot, spread hot (leaping alteration) renewing group ritual...it's not OP, it's only OP because there's bad players with forum access.

like you?

Your argument or the lack their of makes no sense and half the stuff you listed RP has some varient of or their is something similar; furthermore no one really cares if and what Kotbs/chosens are like to what on DAOC, were not playing DAOC and az's explanation is true many did just macro with twister and may i knew on live did that as well

You state that you have arguments for why the game should not be touched then by all means can you post them id love to see why you feel that realm imbalance is reasonable, acceptable, and should be allowed