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[tomato]

Horrible, the dev wants to listen to better/more experienced players. What a monster.
He should rather listen to you, he could learn to insult people with useless one liners.

Edit: Renork should rather post the rules&guidlines under your posts.

[Azarael]

Faced with the dilemma of moderating posts which are condescending but correct and thereby losing what is likely to be the most educated viewpoint, and allowing those posts to stand (creating an atmosphere no worse in general than most if not all forums), which would you do?

EDIT: This post was directed at mursie under the assumption that his post on the previous page was sarcasm. If it wasn't, please disregard it.

[Penril]

@Mursie, the only one shitposting are you.

@Penril, never said winning 6vs6 means you're right on balance.
I said the game should be balanced around 6vs6, and not by solo or bad players.

The thing I asked for 6vs6 isn't for balance, but to counter argue stupid "1vs1 me brah" and people acting like they're awesome in game and therefor superior but never give actual proof ingame.

Edit: And like nanji said, to show things you won't see/belive on paper.

You did say it once at least, when you claimed BO and SM were the best tanks in the game in T2 (and you guys were right) and wanted to prove it with a 6v6 against anyone claiming the opposite. So let's think of a hypothetical scenario: What if i had formed the team back then and defeated your SM group? Would that have meant that i was right and you were wrong, and SMs were bad? No. We both know (i do thanks to you guys, i admit) that BO/SM were indeed OP in T2, being able to increase their target's chance to be crit to ridiculous values (300% wasn't rare).

Agreed on the 1v1 thing. It is silly specially coming from a Shaman (come on Morf! )

I still believe that WL not being able to pounce mid-air after a punt would be viable. I also believe that a 1v1 or 6v6 wont prove anyside right/wrong. I also believe that the only way to see if a class is viable or not after a change is to test it for at least a couple days in several different situations.








And i also believe Aza is order biased. (j/k)

[mursie]

Horrible, the dev wants to listen to better/more experienced players. What a monster.
He should rather listen to you, he could learn to insult people with useless one liners.

Edit: Renork should rather post the rules&guidlines under your posts.

As someone who mains a white lion - I have no disagreement with much of Bretin's commentary on the class. As such, I have not posted any disagreement to his points.

The issue isn't class balance. And based on Aza's posts thus far, I feel confident his judgement for such matters will not be easily swayed by forum banter.

With that said, I've seen nothing to conclude "the dev wants to listen to better/more experienced players." Maybe I missed something.

[Nanji]

What if i had formed the team back then and defeated your SM group? Would that have meant that i was right and you were wrong, and SMs were bad?

If that wouldve happened it wouldve been up to your grp to see what really mattered in that fight, if kicks had such a big impact, if you were amazed by the ttk with sm or whatever. Pretty much depends on how the fight wouldve went.
If it is not just a penis contest, both grps can learn from either loss or win.

[Renork]

Horrible, the dev wants to listen to better/more experienced players. What a monster.
He should rather listen to you, he could learn to insult people with useless one liners.

Edit: Renork should rather post the rules&guidlines under your posts.

Like I said before.... The good players (I won't use the word skilled because it makes me lol) don't find the need to tell everyone else how elite and good they are. Also, they don't defend their arguments with silly "I'm better than you therefore your opinion is invalid" or pretend to be the most known person on a game forum (hi, self esteem check).

Lastly, all aspects of the game are important. Some more than others of course, but stating 6v6 is where the balance "is at" is silly. This is a MMO (MASSIVE), if balance was meant for "6v6", then keeps wouldn't exist in the first place. Also, although 1v1 is not a priority, it should never be disregarded.

[Penril]

What if i had formed the team back then and defeated your SM group? Would that have meant that i was right and you were wrong, and SMs were bad?

If that wouldve happened it wouldve been up to your grp to see what really mattered in that fight, if kicks had such a big impact, if you were amazed by the ttk with sm or whatever. Pretty much depends on how the fight wouldve went.
If it is not just a penis contest, both grps can learn from either loss or win.

Nice reply. Penis contests are really stupid. Aight, you guys can carry on flaming each other, im out of this thread

[Bretin]

You did say it once at least, when you claimed BO and SM were the best tanks in the game in T2

they still are.

We both know (i do thanks to you guys, i admit) that BO/SM were indeed OP in T2, being able to increase their target's chance to be crit to ridiculous values (300% wasn't rare).

if you do the math, you will see that this is still possible and nothing changed except the fact that SM finally got his WW, which is more useful than going all out on a debuff.

Agreed on the 1v1 thing. It is silly specially coming from a Shaman (come on Morf! )

i have an AM, everyone on the forum who think 1vs1 is meaningful, is welcome to duel me. :^)

I still believe that WL not being able to pounce mid-air after a punt would be viable.

i think i wrote already a book about that, that slight nerf would have a major impact on the general WL gameplay and he would sacrifice a lot of his mobility which is right now one out of 2 reasons why you'd pick a WL in a melee group comp even tho slayer would be a better choice most of the time.

I also believe that a 1v1 or 6v6 wont prove anyside right/wrong.

i agree but i think after a loss some people would finally tune down a bit.

[tomato]

Faced with the dilemma of moderating posts which are condescending but correct ...

@Mursie I don't need to defend my arguments with "better than". (Assuming Azareal was talking partly about my posts here.)

It's a fact that better players have almost always more game knowledge than bad players.

1vs1 should be disregarded I'm sorry, but this game isn't about soloing.

The best way to take/defend a keep?
Play with a group, almost all buffs/synergies are only for your group.
A warband is nothing more than 4 groups who are trying to coordinate together.
Gameplay wise you don't get much, if anything from playing in a warband.

[Azarael]

I'm not at all saying that every post you guys make is out of line, because it's far from the truth. A few of them are, and those are the ones that the other users take exception to.