Reset WL Pounce

[mursie]

Faced with the dilemma of moderating posts which are condescending but correct ...

The second sentence was a general statement, not refering to azareals comment. Only the first one did. (see the paragraph?)

Ahh - I didn't find your posts condescending so I now see where the confusion is. But, even if I were to read your posts as condescending, I still don't think I could link them to Azarael's comments.

[Nanji]

@morf:
You obviously tested it on a character with a lot of initiative.
If you take a look at the formula the chance to be crit scales up very high in the low initiative areas.
So if you gear normally, dont go especially for ini, or have zealot buffing ini, the chance to be crit goes up to 100% on lot of classes.
Ofc there are classes with high base initiative like WE, choppa and shami but for the majority it was game over.

Not going to get you into the basics, just because I dont like you, but let me tell you that it is too late anyways, the grp oriented SMs will go for WW. Making the ini debuff about equal to EA.
Ini debuff was op in t2, it isnt in t3.

[Euan]

I like how people echoing my thoughts on 6v6's against enigma now. Brought them back to earth xD.

Regarding Pounce, I'd like to see White Lion's changed (buffed) before Pounce receieves a real nerf. It's overpowered as is, no doubt. Bypassing Tank's CC who are the supposed counters with a 30 ap damaging gap closer at 65 range with no cooldown.


@Azarael

Fair enough. Nobody cares about the result of 1v1, indeed.

I'll never let you forget xD

I do like your ideas of how to approach balance. This game is more complex than the 6v6 people try to make it out to be.

[magter3001]

This thread screams, BALANCE THE GAME TO MY 6-MAN! Don't forget that there are 18 more classes guys.

P.S. Nerf forum PvP, it's clearly too OP.

[Bretin]

and again the monstrosity marauder has spoken.

[mursie]

The mara/sentinel and jugg/guardian in swtor had a 10sec cd on a pounce like ability. They also had a 1sec root attached to the conclusion of the ability.

Imho - the only reason people hate pounce is because it is spammed in RoR. But, the only reason it is spammed is because the server is so latency buggy that the white lion is never within 5 ft of the target at the conclusion of the pounce (in fact they are usually somewhere around 10 ft away).

Now, to anyone that plays warhammer - if you are 10 ft away, and your abilities require 5 ft to be activated, what do you do? Well, you use abilities that don't require 5 ft range. I.e. you toss axes or whatever else your kit has. For the White lion - that is pounce. And hence pounce is used over and over again.

Simple to fix. Give it 10 sec cooldown... but make it root on land and actually place teh white lion within 5ft of target (preferably on target). Pounce spam will no longer be an issue - and I would bet most white lions would welcome the change. I for one would much rather begin using my actual abilities (FO / CS / etc...) than having to hit pounce again because I'm no where near the target.

Also - while i'm on the topic - Given that everyone has identified the latency issues of this server (even the devs point it out in their NEWS forum section) would it be possible to please help the melee in this game by extending the range of melee abilities to help compensate for lag.

Especially NA players. With 180+ pings... it's literally comical to play melee on this server. I can't tell you teh number of times i'm doing animations for cleave limb ... while registering collision on the opponent.... and the ability doesn't actually go on cooldown and register. Hilarious.

[Nanji]

This thread screams, BALANCE THE GAME TO MY 6-MAN! Don't forget that there are 18 more classes guys.

P.S. Nerf forum PvP, it's clearly too OP.

T2 has left its marks on aggy.

"oh there is a grp fighting"
"nvm its gankbus"
"go to the pve camp"

XD
And you even streamed that, hilarious.

[Mez]

Mursie's only crime is not using the /popcorn reply, which is the generally accepted form of adding fuel to the flame thread. I didn't have a problem with it personally.

6v6 is a joke. It's how you circle jerk beforehand and spec and gear for certain gimmick setups in order to win (generally outlast) another team. Then once everyone is defensive, you circle jerk for an hour and brag about which dps died the least when it's all said and done. The only real respect is earned in the lakes or in scenarios, where you have no control over situations. It's not hard to see who's who in this game. And it's rarely glimpsed from reading forums. Also, real 6v6's aren't handled here, nor even reported here. That's when you know you are in the cool kid club, when a 6v6 or duelfest occurs and no one else knows it happened.

Nanji just played the 6v6 brah card because I was being a bit relentless in my arguments about a class I have never played, and having greater knowledge. I wonder if I alerted him to playstyles that were common on live with good players that he never even touched. It's possible this is what caused the end of our conversation on the class.

[Morf]

@morf:
You obviously tested it on a character with a lot of initiative.
If you take a look at the formula the chance to be crit scales up very high in the low initiative areas.
So if you gear normally, dont go especially for ini, or have zealot buffing ini, the chance to be crit goes up to 100% on lot of classes.
Ofc there are classes with high base initiative like WE, choppa and shami but for the majority it was game over.

Not going to get you into the basics, just because I dont like you, but let me tell you that it is too late anyways, the grp oriented SMs will go for WW. Making the ini debuff about equal to EA.
Ini debuff was op in t2, it isnt in t3.

Fair enough and yes i believe it was my choppa.

Also curious to know as it will take effort to test this myself, ww isnt affecting divine mend right ? im sure heaton will know.

[tomato]

Faced with the dilemma of moderating posts which are condescending but correct ...

The second sentence was a general statement, not refering to azareals comment. Only the first one did. (see the paragraph?)

Ahh - I didn't find your posts condescending so I now see where the confusion is. But, even if I were to read your posts as condescending, I still don't think I could link them to Azarael's comments.

It was about the "correct" part, but whatever.

This thread screams, BALANCE THE GAME TO MY 6-MAN! Don't forget that there are 18 more classes guys.

P.S. Nerf forum PvP, it's clearly too OP.

Why would we need the game to be balanced to "our" 6man when we could just play another?
I just like the game beeing balanced in general, and that balancing is done after gametesting and discussing with players who know what they're doing.
And NOT as reaction to whine threads on the forum.

@ Euan Playing marauder and saying white lion is op is just...
Now it's time for the obligatory coment about your marauder "skills" but I think you know that already.