Sigmar's Grace, abuse or intended?

[peterthepan3]

I get what you're saying. Having tried out melee healing on WP, I can say that Sigmar's Grace is literally the ONLY thing I have to heal my groupmates whenever i am punted/ccd/away from a target. Whether or not the ability ITSELF is needed is a different matter to what melee healing needs to be viable, imo.

Personally? I see nothing wrong with it, given that DPS DOK still has an aoe hd on 100% uptime in BIS gear/aoe snare/2 x dmg covenants. WP has always been a bit more healing-orientated.

I dont see 'much' wrong with it, the range, in a melee heal tree isnt acceptable given the trees purpose but it raises questions and thoughts, maybe will try something else in its place but before anyone declares the sky is falling nerfing melee heals isnt on the agenda.

Well the range issue is fair enough, it is a bit nonsensical. Though I would strongly advise against nerfing the ability into oblivion as it does provide Order with some sort of counter to BG/Mara wounds debuffs. Ultimately it's up to you, and I look forward to seeing what sorta ideas you conjure up =D

[Haojin]

i blame broken/overpowered/tearspammer destro morale tactics.

[freshour]

Aza stated in regards to the melee healing WP that this was always supposed to be part of the class. Maybe set it so it can't be affected by CD reductions, but until recently this was part of their kit in the melee healing category they had over DoK as DoK was always better in the melee DPS category.

If it was outright removed that would be again, silly. If anything I'd say don't allow and CD reductions on it. But generally it is all over-heal except for very few situations where your front line is being pushed back so you cast it as some helper heals. I would have to see a video of if this can actually be semi-abused but to my knowledge I've never seen someone ever do it in a way that could be "abused"... But hey... ass holes got my class an ICD negating up to 30% of total damage output... sooooo I guess I wouldn't put it past them lol.

[Haojin]

just a little reminder:

prayer of devotion don't have icd while covenant of vitality have.

[Arteker616]

I get what you're saying. Having tried out melee healing on WP, I can say that Sigmar's Grace is literally the ONLY thing I have to heal my groupmates whenever i am punted/ccd/away from a target. Whether or not the ability ITSELF is needed is a different matter to what melee healing needs to be viable, imo.

Personally? I see nothing wrong with it, given that DPS DOK still has an aoe hd on 100% uptime in BIS gear/aoe snare/2 x dmg covenants. WP has always been a bit more healing-orientated. I've never seen any complaints about the wounds buff being used as a heal (several competent WPs use it in 6v6s vs good groups), especially when you compare it to shaman's aoe potential (it pales in comparison).

u cannot proc aoe cov snare anymore , the cov will hit a single target u should know by now.i do use it as heal and it does heal prety well . shaman need to be at 45 feet of target unlike sg , and it still can be disrupted , blocked and with a loaded frontline .
and u gonna compare the lifetap cov with a icd wich at max hit for 180 with the wp heal version wich can heal for almost 500 with no icd?.

[Tesq]

Ah my for fun wp could abuse this if it was on the move, is litteraly only good if you have to heal while being punted and hard snared into oblivion or if you want go out of los and heal you/all a bit, and that's all.

The max value is 800 ... 2 sec cast .. i m stranged it does not even have the same value of the chosen WD as it is quite inferior. Btw even by fixing the value till is not castable on the move ( should be probable to be reliable) there are 0 reason to even bother about it.
If you see big number on sc rooster is just that SG dont separate heal and over heal, so even if 1 target is full life you heal him and the score board sign that.

[freshour]

just a little reminder:

prayer of devotion don't have icd while covenant of vitality have.

that is because of COV does half damage half heal. While their prayer is all heal. Why it was not given an icd is still beyond me because rather than just making it equal across the board, or removing the damage from it (if possible) and allowing for the healing CoV to proc aoe like the prayer does............. nothing happened lol. Still waiting to hear back from Torq on my ICD thread whether or not it is "not being removed EVER" or "not being removed until it is able to be removed for the WP/DoK only"

But yeah the fact that both classes have prayers/cov's yet one class has one that can proc on AOE without an ICD, and the other has none that can proc on more than one target is either due to limitations in what can be modified or the staff don't really understand how much of a difference the ICD makes not just for damage, but also for healing for DoK/his party especially in WB's where it was a semi buffer if you were charging mechanic and so forth. But yeah... I almost don't wanna ask why because I'm sure the answer would specifically be in regards to damage and the proc meta despite orders actually being better - and not mention that the heal prayer proc'ing direct damage AOE in a WB can sum up to a lot of healing... but anyway.

[freshour]

Also... the life tap range is 100 ft. So it does make sense that the melee heals wounds buff that can also function as a stationary 2s cast is also 100 ft. The only ranges that can be weird are channel heals and shaman/am lifetaps as you can select a target to heal even if he is out of range because enemy and all party UI's sometimes let you click an ally when they are WAY out in BFE. Only affects DoK/WP channel heal (not over performing) but 100% is for shaman/am. But again... please don't nerf either of these classes anymore than they already are until something can be done to unsuck them in return.

[Kalell]

I get what you're saying. Having tried out melee healing on WP, I can say that Sigmar's Grace is literally the ONLY thing I have to heal my groupmates whenever i am punted/ccd/away from a target. Whether or not the ability ITSELF is needed is a different matter to what melee healing needs to be viable, imo.

Personally? I see nothing wrong with it, given that DPS DOK still has an aoe hd on 100% uptime in BIS gear/aoe snare/2 x dmg covenants. WP has always been a bit more healing-orientated.

I dont see 'much' wrong with it, the range, in a melee heal tree isnt acceptable given the trees purpose but it raises questions and thoughts, maybe will try something else in its place but before anyone declares the sky is falling nerfing melee heals isnt on the agenda.

My main question is this: Is it intended that the buff Sigmars Grace is 50% of a (healing) WPs healing output?
If not just increase the CD by some seconds, it wont affect the buff usage, but reduce the overperforming spamming of a buff. But still make it a "cast once when you are punted/ don't have a target" ability.

[wargrimnir]

Answers have already been given. This buff is staying as it is for now.