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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#21 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:37 pm

vianiznice wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:31 pm Considering I detest PVE, especially in a game in which it was an afterthought, I'll hold off until oRvR sets arrive. I do not mind the small squish of previous sets.

It'll be great to come back and make progress again!

But the oRvR sets already arrived?
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#22 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:39 pm

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Skullgrin wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:19 pm Man, this just looks like complaining for the sake of hearing yourself complain... Gear was slightly nerfed across the board, which in the end means you aren't any less powerful than anyone else because they were nerfed too. All this really makes me think is that after the change you lost some fights to someone or some group that was lower level than you, and you are trying to use the nerf to justify why you lost.

So please, show us on this snotling where the lowbies hurt you...
So I looked at my notifications and I though: "Ohh look, maybe some good answer as Wargrimm's. Maybe another transparent point and clear explanation from a person that matters."
Instead I have to read some nonsense. Like white noise on the tv screen.
I win and loose every day with the warbands. I don't care about that and that is not the topic.
Your assumbtions are pointless. You did not read carefully as you probably fall under that mentioned cathegory of the attention span issue.
My words cut and are not ment to be nice. It's a complain and a harsh request for answers.
Not an invitation to pick cherries, nor an invitation to you to comment assuming offtopic.
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#23 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm

madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:39 pm
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Skullgrin wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:19 pm Man, this just looks like complaining for the sake of hearing yourself complain... Gear was slightly nerfed across the board, which in the end means you aren't any less powerful than anyone else because they were nerfed too. All this really makes me think is that after the change you lost some fights to someone or some group that was lower level than you, and you are trying to use the nerf to justify why you lost.

So please, show us on this snotling where the lowbies hurt you...
So I looked at my notifications and I though: "Ohh look, maybe some good answer as Wargrimm's. Maybe another transparent point and clear explanation from a person that matters."
Instead I have to read some nonsense. Like white noise on the tv screen.
I win and loose every day with the warbands. I don't care about that and that is not the topic.
Your assumbtions are pointless. You did not read carefully as you probably fall under that mentioned cathegory of the attention span issue.
My words cut and are not ment to be nice. It's a complain and a harsh request for answers.
Not an invitation to pick cherries, nor an invitation to you to comment or assume offtopic.

No, I think i understood you quite clearly. It's all about YOU and how YOUR time was wasted in getting the gear that YOU feel was unfairly nerfed. YOU don't take into account that everyone else spent just as much acquiring said gear. They don't matter to YOU, because in your mind, its all about YOU.
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#24 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:50 pm

Hargrim wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:37 pm
vianiznice wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:31 pm Considering I detest PVE, especially in a game in which it was an afterthought, I'll hold off until oRvR sets arrive. I do not mind the small squish of previous sets.

It'll be great to come back and make progress again!

But the oRvR sets already arrived?
I see! I havent played and saw no clear update on the front page.

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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#25 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:01 pm

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Skullgrin wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm No, I think i understood you quite clearly. It's all about YOU and how YOUR time was wasted in getting the gear that YOU feel was unfairly nerfed. YOU don't take into account that everyone else spent just as much acquiring said gear. They don't matter to YOU, because in your mind, its all about YOU.
See, this is why we can't have nice things.
If I had to complain about inbalance or loosing fights, I would have done so. But I didn't.
You don't understand the half of it and therefor I will have to ignore you.

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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#26 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:22 pm

madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:01 pm
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Skullgrin wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm No, I think i understood you quite clearly. It's all about YOU and how YOUR time was wasted in getting the gear that YOU feel was unfairly nerfed. YOU don't take into account that everyone else spent just as much acquiring said gear. They don't matter to YOU, because in your mind, its all about YOU.
See, this is why we can't have nice things.
If I had to complain about inbalance or loosing fights, I would have done so. But I didn't.
You don't understand the half of it and therefor I will have to ignore you.

Next.
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#27 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:26 pm

Response worthy of the head gm
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#28 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:26 pm

I guess most, who have to say something, will ignore your ramblings too. Basically we all waste our time in this thread.
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#29 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:35 pm

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wargrimnir wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:22 pm
madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:01 pm
Spoiler:
Skullgrin wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm No, I think i understood you quite clearly. It's all about YOU and how YOUR time was wasted in getting the gear that YOU feel was unfairly nerfed. YOU don't take into account that everyone else spent just as much acquiring said gear. They don't matter to YOU, because in your mind, its all about YOU.
See, this is why we can't have nice things.
If I had to complain about inbalance or loosing fights, I would have done so. But I didn't.
You don't understand the half of it and therefor I will have to ignore you.

Next.
Not sure if
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Re: Well, well, well..

Post#30 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:57 pm

Apparently you don't understand the problems in your initial post, so I will go through and break it down for you.

madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am So many cooks. To many... but sticking the nose somewhere it does not belong is inevitable, isn't it?

About the only thing that you stated that is right, you're putting your nose where it doesn't belong.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am I will add my own salt to this soup now, as you people clearly need it. Then I will feed it to this person -that I don't know- but whom is responsible for this short minded idea beeing put in place.
You will feel pointed out, and that is all that matters. As single or collective.

What idea? The nerfing of existing gear to make the new released gear more attractive.

Nerfing the gear isn't short minded, it is the Devs taking a a long term look at the stability and balance of the game - the exact opposite of what you say.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Nobody want's new gear and their old one nerfed in combination. What people want is new gear that is a good alternative for a different personal playstyle.
As it's all a house of cards based on the time that people waste infront of a screen, instead of doing something productive in their life.
I don't care if this is Alpha phase. Some of us play this for years, that's alot of time. You nerf farmed gear, you steal the time put in it.

Adding new gear is exactly what the Devs are doing. Your complaint about your time being wasted is nonsense, you still have the gear received from spending that time playing, it's not like they took the gear away from you.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Right, the nerf is a minor. But it is still a nerf and a downgrade. The trust towards you is crumbling now and people are leaving the game. You speculate on them comming back?

It isn't a downgrade if it applies to everyone. You are still at the same place on the power level ladder as you were before the nerf, because everyone moved down the same ammount as you - its a zero sum game. Don't know what that means? Look up and read about Game Theory.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Don't even get me started on this constant AOE damage buff for ORvR. How to ruin largescale battles with AoE damage to force people into small scale.

Your random opinion on a entirely separate part of the game - has no place here and is just complaining about something with no actual facts to back it up.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am
There is such a lack in seeing the big picture here, it's beyond bad. I understand that you can't make everyone happy, but there is ways around it. You clearly took the wrong turn.
Good thing I am not part of it to take the blame, I stand neutral above you and observe your failing as I have done so in many other MMORPGs and Emu Projects in the past and present. They all failed, as for the emus they split and are constantly on the verge to fail. This games had their grow of the community and the flow disturbed by the simple nerf of -player progress been done-.

Again, you are wrong, the Devs doing this is them absolutely taking a long term look at the big picture. Oh, and the idea that you are neutral in this argument is laughable. The two sides are -

1. The gear nerf is bad for the game
2. The gear nerf is good for the game.

Being neutral would be having no opinion on the subject, while you are clearly on the side that thinks the nerf is bad.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Good thing I did not invest expensive talismans in the Conqueror or Beastlord Armor pieces (to go into the details) as others have done.

Yep, none of this about YOU and how YOU think YOUR time has been wasted.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Try to understand what was written, no honestly - read it again, think about it and understand. I know it's hard with nowadays general attention span, but make an effort.

Trust me, I did go over your post very carefully, no short attention span here.


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am The ones who started this project took a responsibility with them doing so. You should be very mindful about what you are doing here.
There is good alternatives out there, you shall be warned as you have been from other players way before.

Yes, the Devs took on a huge job, and as far as I'm concerned the are doing an awesome job. Yes, there are alternatives out there, as far as I'm concerned none of them are better than RoR. The question you should be asking is what is keeping you here?


madrocks wrote: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:21 am Now that you have read this you might think: "Mhh.. ok that's your opinion and it sucks."
To bad people talk to me constantly and tell me their thoughts of the actual happening.

Well, frankly this is just your opinion. And I think it sucks, on both an objective and factual basis, as stated above. I'm sick to death of people randomly attacking the Devs for every damn decision they make when most of those decisions are to improve the long term stability of this game. You signature image says "Talk ****, Get Hit" - consider this my little love tap to wake you up...
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