Are WL any good?

[Tesq]

WL is unique as a class as it has 3 different specs for 1v1 ganking purposes.
Their 6man spec is "ok" until someone remembers to kill their pet, then their pet has to be resummoned, and gets killed again.
Their "warband spec" consists of one tactic and "unique" unhealable pet that dies in 2-3s after fight starts.

Sure, it is maybe the strongest pick atm you can have for 1v1 as you can gank lowbies from 65ft distance thanks to Pounce while enemy clothies get 1200 armor from endgame gear, your armor debuff removes 1500 of it. (armor debuff from live years when people had higher endgame armor values, but here it is bit "high" one could say) (and yeah inb4 "pls nerf" - no I play WL and would rather have slightly less powerful armor debuff and maybe get functional WB spec and pet that doesn't explode everytime AoE happens - pve dungeons are also pretty "unfunny" when it means summoning pet out of CD until next mobs kill it)

Extremely potent in smallscale, still good in 6man, but above that, well, Order doesn't have mara so their Warband melee dps frontline has always been pretty nonexistant - especially when the best warband dps picks are godtier BW bombs and Engis assisting BWs.

If pet die ista feel like 50% active time for a 50% dmg boost (revenge) any tried that? With a coordinated burst?

[bloodi]

If pet die ista feel like 50% active time for a 50% dmg boost (revenge) any tried that? With a coordinated burst?

No, no one has actually ever tried the revenge tactic, ever.

We didnt even know it existed.

[Jinxypie]

Pet dies against WB in 3s... omg pet so weak!
Player dies to WL in 3s... nah its fine.

[Tesq]

If pet die ista feel like 50% active time for a 50% dmg boost (revenge) any tried that? With a coordinated burst?

No, no one has actually ever tried the revenge tactic, ever.

We didnt even know it existed.

I said with a coordinated burst (which also mean in wb) get some glasses

[bloodi]

I said with a coordinated burst (which also mean in wb) get some glasses

Tesq, you really think that no one has ever tried to slot vengeance in a wb? I mean, seriously.

And lets say for a second, that no one ever did, what do you think that will give you over the 50% extra crit damage that relies on the pet beling alive?

Or what do you think a WL can ever do in a wb tbh?

Actually, dont reply to any of that, just reflect for a second and you will actually realize that the answer to all of those is why we dont see a single WL in wbs.

[larsulu]

WL underperform in terms of survivability his mirror class. As well as SH after changes...

WL underperform in terms of aoe dmg his mirror class. As well as any aoe dps tree. It w
as changed for a short time but it was reverted, so now unlike Destro Order got only 1 aoe mellee.

WL underperform in terms of utility his mirror class. As well as many others.

WL outperform in terms of st dmg burst his mirror class. But not Sorc, WE, WH...

WL outperform in terms of mobility his mirror class. An others - except for SH.

WL Fetch is joke compared to Mara pull [which was buffed] since its dependable on pet - which bug a lot [lag, massive fights, zone changing and your pet is either running to other side of map or simply gone, playing loner aint much option since you loose most of your utility/cc without it] and die in no time.

All classes had major / minor changes to their skills/trees multiple times, some got massive buffs [and they kept them] WL had some changes but ppl whined and they got reverted [unlike WE, Maras or Sorc which are ridiculous at some point] - but all WL got is one aoe tactic [not even comparable to Mara stance] and everything else got reverted to pretty much vanilla state.

We were told WL is goin to be reworked... But after half year its all the same [probably "working as intended(r)"] and no word has been heard since...

“Wl fetch is a joke compared to Mara pull”
Explain please

[Tesq]

I said with a coordinated burst (which also mean in wb) get some glasses

Tesq, you really think that no one has ever tried to slot vengeance in a wb? I mean, seriously.

And lets say for a second, that no one ever did, what do you think that will give you over the 50% extra crit damage that relies on the pet beling alive?

Or what do you think a WL can ever do in a wb tbh?

Actually, dont reply to any of that, just reflect for a second and you will actually realize that the answer to all of those is why we dont see a single WL in wbs.

I know that it has be tried once BUT it has been before the changes happened AND in peculiar with the armor bypass tactic wl have now. Aka i wanted to know if it was tested recently.
Moreover is 50%dmg more not crits which is better , you cant use crits tactic but revenege replace that one and boost crit for 25% output this way (aka on crits = 75% instead 50% due increase base dmg ).
Plus dmg per 1.5 instead per 1.

Idk i was curious i must level a class instead put a question? And btw man toxic as always eh really....

P.s what can do a wl? Dmg, be tanky, aoe interrupt....i just i wanted to know to what extent....

[zgolec]

WL underperform in terms of survivability his mirror class. As well as SH after changes...

WL underperform in terms of aoe dmg his mirror class. As well as any aoe dps tree. It w
as changed for a short time but it was reverted, so now unlike Destro Order got only 1 aoe mellee.

WL underperform in terms of utility his mirror class. As well as many others.

WL outperform in terms of st dmg burst his mirror class. But not Sorc, WE, WH...

WL outperform in terms of mobility his mirror class. An others - except for SH.

WL Fetch is joke compared to Mara pull [which was buffed] since its dependable on pet - which bug a lot [lag, massive fights, zone changing and your pet is either running to other side of map or simply gone, playing loner aint much option since you loose most of your utility/cc without it] and die in no time.

All classes had major / minor changes to their skills/trees multiple times, some got massive buffs [and they kept them] WL had some changes but ppl whined and they got reverted [unlike WE, Maras or Sorc which are ridiculous at some point] - but all WL got is one aoe tactic [not even comparable to Mara stance] and everything else got reverted to pretty much vanilla state.

We were told WL is goin to be reworked... But after half year its all the same [probably "working as intended(r)"] and no word has been heard since...

“Wl fetch is a joke compared to Mara pull”
Explain please

Pet bugs.A lot. Often. Doesnt work in lag... Loose los even on plain terrain sometimes. Get parried a lot. Rarely happen that pet even reach target cause if focused id dies before pull. Mara reworked pull is different story...

[larsulu]

WL underperform in terms of survivability his mirror class. As well as SH after changes...

WL underperform in terms of aoe dmg his mirror class. As well as any aoe dps tree. It w
as changed for a short time but it was reverted, so now unlike Destro Order got only 1 aoe mellee.

WL underperform in terms of utility his mirror class. As well as many others.

WL outperform in terms of st dmg burst his mirror class. But not Sorc, WE, WH...

WL outperform in terms of mobility his mirror class. An others - except for SH.

WL Fetch is joke compared to Mara pull [which was buffed] since its dependable on pet - which bug a lot [lag, massive fights, zone changing and your pet is either running to other side of map or simply gone, playing loner aint much option since you loose most of your utility/cc without it] and die in no time.

All classes had major / minor changes to their skills/trees multiple times, some got massive buffs [and they kept them] WL had some changes but ppl whined and they got reverted [unlike WE, Maras or Sorc which are ridiculous at some point] - but all WL got is one aoe tactic [not even comparable to Mara stance] and everything else got reverted to pretty much vanilla state.

We were told WL is goin to be reworked... But after half year its all the same [probably "working as intended(r)"] and no word has been heard since...

“Wl fetch is a joke compared to Mara pull”
Explain please

Pet bugs.A lot. Often. Doesnt work in lag... Loose los even on plain terrain sometimes. Get parried a lot. Rarely happen that pet even reach target cause if focused id dies before pull. Mara reworked pull is different story...

Mara pull doesn’t works on terrain/plain/lag too sometimes
Mara pull has 2 second channeling
Mara pull before the rework it was on intelligence ( you know Mara is melee )
Don’t whine about Mara if wl pet still have a bug.
Cheers

[zgolec]

“Wl fetch is a joke compared to Mara pull”
Explain please

Pet bugs.A lot. Often. Doesnt work in lag... Loose los even on plain terrain sometimes. Get parried a lot. Rarely happen that pet even reach target cause if focused id dies before pull. Mara reworked pull is different story...

Mara pull doesn’t works on terrain/plain/lag too sometimes
Mara pull has 2 second channeling
Mara pull before the rework it was on intelligence ( you know Mara is melee )
Don’t whine about Mara if wl pet still have a bug.
Cheers

You got wl? Come play one.
I got mara. Know how things works.
Pet screwed way more then mara pull.
Also as wl have to rely on pet for quite a bit of his dmg [and crit tactic] wl is screwed up in way more situations then mara.
Cheers.