WBs not getting city pops

[Alfa1986]

Unfortunately, those people who play only in EU prime time and do not have constant ability to be at the computer 24/24, it is unlikely that they will have frequent cities. I was the last time in the city about two weeks ago, or maybe even 1 mounth). before city sieges were happened much more common and on one of my characters I even got two or three things sovereign, although I still do not have an invader. and to be honest, that situation reminded me more of a dull farm than honest competition. First, we farm Destro city to one star, then switch to the order city and farm it to 1 star, and this is repeated an infinite number of times.

Now some players and maybe even whole guilds have already received their sovereign on main chars and they don’t need so many city sieges. perhaps this is the reason why city sieges become to happen much less.

[nat3s]

I respect what you're saying, but you're asking for a dev fix to cure a player choice and I do not think that is fair on Order. I do understand your frustration and irritation at not getting a city. However:

Destruction outnumber Order substantially and have all of the strongest warband classes, the most well-geared players and the most experienced pvp leaders. it wouldn't be fair to have all of these advantages and then have empty city instances where you just get royal crests given to you because there's not enough Order to fight.

As we saw with the recent invader changes, this would very likely lead to adverse player behaviour, where destruction warbands would just wait until all of the order warbands were in and fighting to get clear runs as easy crests.

Legitimately, if destruction players would rather quit than balance the population, then fine, quit the game and the population gets a little more balanced. I'm not being malicious, but try and see this from order's perspective.

It depends on timezone. US prime destro outnumber order, EU prime order outnumber destro.

Take a look at the t4 pop right now, adding up SoR we've got 176 order vs 103 destro as US people have gone to bed and EU time is starting.

[nat3s]

Unfortunately, those people who play only in EU prime time and do not have constant ability to be at the computer 24/24, it is unlikely that they will have frequent cities. I was the last time in the city about two weeks ago, or maybe even 1 mounth). before city sieges were happened much more common and on one of my characters I even got two or three things sovereign, although I still do not have an invader. and to be honest, that situation reminded me more of a dull farm than honest competition. First, we farm Destro city to one star, then switch to the order city and farm it to 1 star, and this is repeated an infinite number of times.

Now some players and maybe even whole guilds have already received their sovereign on main chars and they don’t need so many city sieges. perhaps this is the reason why city sieges become to happen much less.

This^^

EU prime is fubar. It's so disappoting that YouTuber brought so many players here, it's killed the server. The devs used to talk about wanting a city every 2-3 days. With most guilds having farmed sov, we're settling at roughly 1 city a fortnight for EU prime. By the devs own target, they are missing the mark by a considerable margin...

Here's my prediction: if the devs allow this to continue, the people in top guilds will gradually start to completely dominate the server due to the significant gear disparity which wont close with so few cities taking place. It will become like live where a new player can look forward to 6+ months of grind before they can expect to be competitive, getting steamrolled by the select few that have obtained their Sov.

What happened to trying to keep things even? Capping at rr80 was a great idea, but making cities happen so infrequently now means there is no catch up mechanic to bridge the gap to the Sov geared players.

[Rydiak]

Imagine playing on the side that has the population advantage, wins cities 3 to 1 versus the other side, and has overall better classes, and then going on the forum to complain that there literally was no one left for you to queue against, so you want empty instances to be made so you can get free loot for no effort.

[nat3s]

Imagine playing on the side that has the population advantage, wins cities 3 to 1 versus the other side, and has overall better classes, and then going on the forum to complain that there literally was no one left for you to queue against, so you want empty instances to be made so you can get free loot for no effort.

You're Strawmanning. I shouldnt really indulge you, but to answer your spurious points:

• I was in an organised warband setup ahead of city queues opening. On voice comms with a mostly 2/2/2 setup for each group.
• We queued from the very start of queues opening.
• This is 7th time in a row ive not received a city invite.

That did take effort thank you very much, i'd wager more effort then you expend trying to get a city instance, that's literally over a month of trying right there.

With respect to class balance, ive honestly no idea, destro does have the better morale bomb which i believe is more often the deciding factor in a city WB vs WB fight. On a per class level id say order have it slightly better, but not enough to counter the morale play of destro.

[Telen]

What happened to trying to keep things even?

There were very different plans back then. Remember when they werent going to have gear higher than annihilator. Somewhere along the way the emphasis switched from balance to grind.

[Rydiak]

Imagine playing on the side that has the population advantage, wins cities 3 to 1 versus the other side, and has overall better classes, and then going on the forum to complain that there literally was no one left for you to queue against, so you want empty instances to be made so you can get free loot for no effort.

You're Strawmanning. I shouldnt really indulge you, but to answer your spurious points:

• I was in an organised warband setup ahead of city queues opening. On voice comms with a mostly 2/2/2 setup for each group.
• We queued from the very start of queues opening.
• This is 7th time in a row ive not received a city invite.

I am sorry you spent all that time and effort to queue against a side that had no more players left for you to play against. You have my deepest sympathies.

[Sulorie]

What happened to trying to keep things even?

There were very different plans back then. Remember when they werent going to have gear higher than annihilator. Somewhere along the way the emphasis switched from balance to grind.

I never read a statements about capping gear on annihilator levels. Sov was just meant to be the top level.

[nat3s]

Imagine playing on the side that has the population advantage, wins cities 3 to 1 versus the other side, and has overall better classes, and then going on the forum to complain that there literally was no one left for you to queue against, so you want empty instances to be made so you can get free loot for no effort.

You're Strawmanning. I shouldnt really indulge you, but to answer your spurious points:

• I was in an organised warband setup ahead of city queues opening. On voice comms with a mostly 2/2/2 setup for each group.
• We queued from the very start of queues opening.
• This is 7th time in a row ive not received a city invite.

I am sorry you spent all that time and effort to queue against a side that had no more players left for you to play against. You have my deepest sympathies.

Look i'm not going to exchange passive aggressive snipes with you. There is a proportion of players that are missing out on content which i empathise with. You may not agree on empty city instances, believe me it's a last resort for me, id MUCH rather get a city queue pop, but there could be a way to address both our concerns, having more appealing order classes so there are less destro to compete against for city spaces would be perfect. Make order great again and free destro of the recent influx of new players.

Is that something we can agree on?

[Nekkma]

You play on overpopulated side. When it's 2-1 in population some of you zergers won't get pop and that's totally normal. Order gets pop everytime. Solution is very easy

The same happen with IC. Destro have alot more players just staying in IC and quing for scenarios and city loggers. It has nothing to do with zerging.