Lvl 21

[Jaycub]

Penril, if the sw pisses you of that much, why do you even waste your energy playing the game? Deal with it.

SW is definitely overturned in t2, I was doing more damage than my geared witch hunter at like lvl 14, on top of eventually having better cc, and other utility like group AP regen, self damage buff, etc...

[Joshwa70]

But doesn't the marauder tactc also heal the marauder the debuffed heal??? Sounds legit....gee... all the need now is an aoe kd

[dave2278]

Can we get lvl 21 I can't wait to see ballerina white lions jumping everywhere

[BreezeKicker]

At 21 knight will be able to get heal debuff aura. Also BWs will have option to get one at 30cd in dots spec.

WH will get flowing accusations at 21 which helps a bit by allowing more high executions in smaller time windows but will continue to be mediocre till they get the 50% crit dmg tac (min rank 23). They would be able to get their HD by 25 but that means not taking 50% crit. To have both they would have to be at least 33, 36 if you want to toss in kd in the mix.

In the end no matter where you put lvl cap someone, somewhere will miss out on a tool or two

[Thorondir]

Penril, if the sw pisses you of that much, why do you even waste your energy playing the game? Deal with it.

They don't piss me off, but that doesn't mean i am blind to obvious imbalance. I'm not talking about T4, but what would happen if level cap was raised to 21.

SW heal debuffs a target (50%), his group assist him, SW knocks down one of the enemy healers. Heal-debuffed destro dies.

Mara heal debuffs a target (25%), his group assist him, no one is able to KD one of the enemy healers because the BG needs to block first. Heal-debuffed order survives.

It is just math man.

Post buff SW almost felt broken at times in T4. I can only imagine how the SW fits in with the T2 balance. Most of the SW buff changes would be available in T2: VoN dependencies removed, ranged KD on 30 sec cooldown, worthless pin converted to useful self punt, bonus BS/WS tactic, no minimum range on bow attacks. Only things missing are glass arrow (retarded good), powerful draw (bonus range tactic) and the 1 second eagle eye tactic. EZ mode SW.

Compare that to the shadow warrior experience at launch and you may understand my contempt for those **** little green bastards that must **** die.

Incidentally, does the whirling pin aoe snare still stack (bugged) with all other snares? Those 75% aoe snares used to be hilarious.

[Coryphaus]

But doesn't the marauder tactc also heal the marauder the debuffed heal??? Sounds legit....gee... all the need now is an aoe kd

you mean that heal thats only 25% and can be cleansed as its an ailment and requires at least lvl 29?

Furthermore what difference does it make since slayer, WE's and chops also have a way to heal

Concussive jolt requires 11 point into monstro which no mara is stupid enough to do

[Toldavf]

Level 21 = thunderous blows i think we have a winner for most op ability unlocked.

[Coryphaus]

A wounds debuff? Hardly, just b/c mara gets it early don’t make it anything special as many other classes get some thing similar down the line no I think rampage and engies/mags 100ft no requirement disarm, wp’s divine light will be more impactful

[dave2278]

A wounds debuff? Hardly, just b/c mara gets it early don’t make it anything special as many other classes get some thing similar down the line no I think rampage and engies/mags 100ft no requirement disarm, wp’s divine light will be more impactful

Chosen get something similar. But I see what your saying, Rampage and Divine light are gonna be fun to with but oh boy not to play against.

[Joshwa70]

25 percent better than the wl debuff at 14 points in the worst tree