Stop this keep trading please

[Jaycub]

Easy Mode is available to all players who wish to participate. Simply gather up 5 other competent players of proper class composition, get a free VOIP service server, a cool guild name, a $14 headphone with Mic from Wal Mart, and learn to play.

GG

I don't know of many or any really, PvP games that allow organized groups to play against PUG/solo's (even WoW doesn't). This was is and is still one of warhammer biggest faults competitive wise. That and no MMR/Bracket system. But a lot of people are against it, because it would mean SC's would be more of a focus than they "should" be in the game.

Casuals would be able to have their fun in SC's without the terror of playing against a premade, and premades/competitive/hardcore players would have the opportunity to routinely test their skills against other groups in a much more even grounded setting than just farming pugs.

ATM I feel like SC's are about as competitive as non-ranked AREM dota, aside from organized GvG 6v6's (which I doubt has happened more than a handful of times on this server) there is no real competition happening. Even if you meet another preamde in an SC you have the random element of your entire other half of your team being random people, and the premade with the better pugs (skill and group composition wise) almost always win.

[Penril]

We don't have the population for separate brackets, and it is simply not fair to punish people with longer q waits simply for playing the game the way it is meant to be played (in a group).

Besides, people are currently avoiding fights in RvR where it is usually casual pug WB vs casual pug WB. Separate brackets won't be any different; pugs will go "waaaa we only have one healer and they have 3, afk 10 minutes" and stay at their spawn.

[Jaycub]

The SC system was obviously not setup for anything in particular.

And pug que will be a lot more tolerable without premades in the mix, a lot less rage AFKing I guarantee you that 100%.

If group que isn't poping then it isn't poping, it shouldn't mean that premades then have the right to farm less organized solo players who don't want to, or don't have the skill to be in a 6 man.

They can either solo que, or go do the main focus of the game... you know ORvR... which is suffering atm because the top guilds would rather farm pugs in SC's than do ORvR.

[Penril]

The SC system was obviously not setup for anything in particular.

And pug que will be a lot more tolerable without premades in the mix, a lot less rage AFKing I guarantee you that 100%.

If group que isn't poping then it isn't poping, it shouldn't mean that premades then have the right to farm less organized solo players who don't want to, or don't have the skill to be in a 6 man.

Fine. Remove group Q from the game, so premades can go back to solo q again and either:

a) Not joining if they don't get the same SC pop, therefore unbalancing the SC making it a 6v12 for a couple minutes (or more).
b) Getting the same SC and roflstomping pugs who were "hurrraaaay we won't have to face premades ever aga... OMG /ragequit".

Personally looking forward for scenario b.

[Jaycub]

Simply add quitter debuff for not taking a que - 30 minutes. Will stop that **** very fast.

>remove group que from the game

No.

[Penril]

Simply add quitter debuff for not taking a que - 30 minutes. Will stop that **** very fast.

>remove group que from the game

No.

Then pugs would go "waaaaaa i didn't take that pop because i was AFK taking an empty Keep and now i have quitter debuff waaaa".

Good luck with that.

[Penril]

And somehow this thread went from "people are trading keeps and avoiding fights" to "we need separate SC q's for premades and pugs". Not surprised since both are related; many people in this PvP game actually HATE doing PvP or playing as a group.

[Edenwolf]

I think the problem is the introduction of a new zone, it spreads the players too thin.I think a way to solve this is have map rotations or zones that lock once everything in the zone is captured by one alliance. You lock one zone, fight in the next one until that zone is locked then the previous zone unlocks. You could even have zone flip rewards for having participated in taking or defending a zone, defenders must have participated in a battlw defending a keep or bo to get bonus from flip.

[Jaycub]

Pugs will cry either way, nothing new even in established games that have been around for years with a complete focus on this type of thing. It will be objectively better for a person solo queing when they don't have to worry about playing against 6 people with a perfect group comp, and voice communication. Yes they will still run into some SC's where you don't have a healer, or tanks. But it will be on the average a much better experience.

As for quitter debuff, if you can't pay attention don't que. You are the reason these 2v8's pop and other bullshit like that. You can cry about 30 min debuff all you want, but they will learn really fast or just stop shitting up scenarios.

[Penril]

Sorry, i will never agree with you. If people refuse to group up in a group PvP game they are playing it incorrectly and the game should not be changed just to satisfy them.

You guys keep asking the devs to fix problems you could fix yourselves. Devs can't fix unwillingness to play the game as intended or unwillingness to PvP.