Questions regarding Leading Shots and Dity Tricks

[Penril]

I like Crippling strikes (even though some people in this forum hate it because it "doesnt stack with Challenge so it is a terrible tactic").

As for Septic Blade, does it stack with Crush the Weak? If it does, i might try BG + WE and just debuff the **** out of the most dangerous enemy dps.

I know that Destro has some tools to debuff enemies chance to crit but they are all ST while a KotBS can just stand there AFK and have an effective 20% buff for his group.

[Coryphaus]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=cho ... ;;;0:0:0:0:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

CS requires you to crit, and does not apply to multiple targets unless you use the aoe undefendable 2h attack, you might as well just use challenge as its more reliable/consistent/effective with 2 tanks rotating challange

secondly, do WE's even want to go up suffering? last i checked carnage and treachery was the way to go, and even then do they want to spend a tactic slot on septic blade? I ask cause i dont play WE, even then you have to run a WE which means you cant do the OP double mara

Septic should stack with crush the weak? the tactic is a buff and CTW is a hex/debuff

[Penril]

CS requires you to crit, and does not apply to multiple targets unless you use the aoe undefendable 2h attack, you might as well just use challenge as its more reliable/consistent/effective with 2 tanks rotating challange

secondly, do WE's even want to go up suffering? last i checked carnage and treachery was the way to go, and even then do they want to spend a tactic slot on septic blade? I ask cause i dont play WE, even then you have to run a WE which means you cant do the OP double mara

Septic should stack with crush the weak? the tactic is a buff and CTW is a hex/debuff

Sometimes you face a mix of mdps and rdps where you are unable to challenge all of them. Sometimes your challenge gets removed immediately because the enemy uses AoE. Crippling strikes is perfect for those occasions..

Suffering is awesome (Witchbrew <3) and several WE's go Suffering/Treachery in end game. Granted, it kinda sucks not having Increased Pain in T3 (if going Suffering). But we will get there.

I agree though that WEs have several good tactics, and replacing one of them for Septic Blade is kinda... i dunno, i would really need to think about that. They lose burst and damage (and their crit debuff is ST anyway), while a KotBS loses nothing and he can just go AFK with DT and EA for an effective +20% crit.

However, if it stacks with Crush the Weak, you would have an effective 45% crit debuff on one target. That would make it worthy.

[Mastodon]

inb4 destro rage ^^

I won't rage. It is definitely a l2p issue. That's why i would like to ask our best players how exactly is destro supposed to counter order having +25% chance to crit (LS + DT) and a 10% chance to be crit debuff on destro (EA).

Please enlighten this noob (me). Tyvm.

The exact same way they have since live? Why are all of these things only becoming GLARING issues now? Why is it only Order classes?

Let's spice it up:

Knights have no equivalent to ravage and their mastery trees are largely terrible. Knights should get ravage.

Run Away! is broken. Good goblin players can't or should almost never be caught. Archmages and SW should get Run Away! This shouldn't be too bad with the nerf SWs just patched in. They can Run Away! while they spam spiral fletched arrow.

DPS DoKs are better than DPS WPs. I think this should be addressed immediately. It is gamebreakingly unfair to Order.

2handed BGs should get a knockdown. In exchange, 2handed IBs should get a no-detaunt tactic.

Squig pets seem to have unlimited range and no leash and are not effected by LoS. I'm sure the other pets are the same. I think everyone would appreciate some kind of fix here.

[Azarael]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

He asked for counters, not mirrors, and explicitly provided counters that were not mirrors for other Order strategies.

[Penril]

The exact same way they have since live? Why are all of these things only becoming GLARING issues now? Why is it only Order classes?

Maybe because RoR devs actually do something about balance and don't go "LALALALALALA EVERYTHING IS FINE I CANT HEAR YOU" like old Mythic devs?

Just look at the Enchanted Arrows nerf. Ty.

Oh, it's not only a order thing. Mara will be fixed, you can bet your ass on that. Just like BO's No Choppin Me double WS buff got fixed too (that one actually hurt).

[Coryphaus]

Sometimes you face a mix of mdps and rdps where you are unable to challenge all of them. Sometimes your challenge gets removed immediately because the enemy uses AoE. Crippling strikes is perfect for those occasions..

Yes but unless you have rending blade, your going to have to run around and pray for rng to to proc crippling stikes (additionally you have no control over who you crit and you cant be running around going i need to keep attacking this rdps till i crit)

and unless you stack crit chance on chosen which as a deft tank SnB chosen i REALLY rather not do so to say its "perfect" is hardly ideal

its an option but unless your going 2h, i dont think its a good one

hell i feel ya missed me would be more reliable and ideal since its a loss of only 5% dmg reduction but guard makes block/parry requirements irrelevant

[Gobtar]

The way one small way our Premade always defended against the order 'synergy' was use of strength of tanks, Chosen would always slot Destined for Victory, thus giving access to M4s every minute. 2x Chosen having cycling Immaculate Defense was a real boon. We wont see this type of strength that BOs and Chosen share until lvl 40

[Qrazy]

According to the super pro elite meta 6v6ers, no one takes a SW in a group so I don't see what the problem is.

[Coryphaus]

The way one small way our Premade always defended against the order 'synergy' was use of strength of tanks, Chosen would always slot Destined for Victory, thus giving access to M4s every minute. 2x Chosen having cycling Immaculate Defense was a real boon. We wont see this type of strength that BOs and Chosen share until lvl 40

the problem i have with double chosen is that i feel its not that "efficient" unlike kotbs chosen does not have as many useful and viable auras and you get some redundancy

you could run a bo with you sez me blok dat as it function similarly to destined for victory though i will admit its not as good