[Discussion/Feedback] The Armor Project

[Cimba]

Actually i peformed one test before the last one, Luth asked to give me more headroom. So I gave an aditional 5% headroom. First try was against -14.9 chance against 15% + Wich resaulted in a crit after just a couple of seconds when it should have been 1/1000 hits. So maybe I was just unlucky with the 0.1% chance there.

Second try I added 5% more crit reduction so, -19.9 vs +15. Wich didn't resault in a single crit and we stopped trying after 6mins.

Running with 30% crit reduction and 5% base to be crit from intitive on my Shaman for an entire WB night today. And moast dps classes was at around 5-6% to crit me wich indicates an averge of 40 base crit on order. BW ofc, was averge around 20-30% crit rate wich also kinda indicates that it does indeed working. BW should averege around 60% if it didn't work. Not even counting order crit stacking tactics into this equation wich would bring em up to around 80% on averge. Wich also kinda indicate that it is indeed working.

I don't remember the exact test setup we used in november but we got to the same conclusion.

[Dabbart]

Can I not be more clear?

There was no stat steal.

There was no crit increase tactic.

BO had 1% crit from weapon. My theoretical crit was at -20%(-33% total crit reduction, the math is on page 17)

AA crit me. Then Ability crit me.

I am deeply ashamed that I got so dragged into this. At least Robin took the time to go test it himself.

Seriously guys. Stop talking about theory or specifics. Go test it! I did, and it was immediately clear. Twice. Actually, 3 times, we ran the Z attacker twice. This is the only place I have ever heard of anyone negating an attackers crit on RoR, that isn't a Bug.

Someone recreate an attackers crit being brought to 0 via static crit reduction.

[roadkillrobin]

The big question however, what are the performance difference between 160ish Initiative Tough, Wounds vs 1000 armor?

And is armor overperforming or a nescesity?

My own experience is that, you can get the other stats from renown but Armor only from talismans wich kinda invalidates them as talismans alot.
Especially Initiative wich have massive deminishing returns after 250 and does almoast nothing unless you get debuffed while Tough, Armor, Wounds pretty much always gonna give you some decent vallue.

[Dabbart]

Well. Armor vs. Stats is hard to break down. Because of things already in the game. The worst culprit would be pots at 100/80 stat vs 880/660 armor(8/1) 2nd would be 24 of a stat vs 185 armor is(7.7/1) in tali's. and 3rd would be tactic wise, 160stat vs 660 armor(4/1).

So the game already has a bonkers way of "balancing" armor gains vs stat gains.

I like to think that you need to balance all 5 defenses(including resistances as 1). Stacking one to super lvls just opens you up in otherways... Imo, armor isn't entirely OP. Neither is any defense.

[Daknallbomb]

Can I not be more clear?

There was no stat steal.

There was no crit increase tactic.

BO had 1% crit from weapon. My theoretical crit was at -20%(-33% total crit reduction, the math is on page 17)

AA crit me. Then Ability crit me.

I am deeply ashamed that I got so dragged into this. At least Robin took the time to go test it himself.

Seriously guys. Stop talking about theory or specifics. Go test it! I did, and it was immediately clear. Twice. Actually, 3 times, we ran the Z attacker twice. This is the only place I have ever heard of anyone negating an attackers crit on RoR, that isn't a Bug.

Someone recreate an attackers crit being brought to 0 via static crit reduction.

Na na dont get me wrong thats all okay But i wanna now following Szenario :
Attacker 15% crit
Defenses 20% crit reduction
How many % crit has the attacker exactly with AA , spells, cast. and than again with 25% reduction into negative and want to See If crit is lower than or exactly the Same like IT is with 20%

[roadkillrobin]

Keep in mind that unless you have 160%+ armor mitigration you only gonna get to keep around 60-70% of the armor vallue.

[Dabbart]

Can I not be more clear?

There was no stat steal.

There was no crit increase tactic.

BO had 1% crit from weapon. My theoretical crit was at -20%(-33% total crit reduction, the math is on page 17)

AA crit me. Then Ability crit me.

I am deeply ashamed that I got so dragged into this. At least Robin took the time to go test it himself.

Seriously guys. Stop talking about theory or specifics. Go test it! I did, and it was immediately clear. Twice. Actually, 3 times, we ran the Z attacker twice. This is the only place I have ever heard of anyone negating an attackers crit on RoR, that isn't a Bug.

Someone recreate an attackers crit being brought to 0 via static crit reduction.

Na na dont get me wrong thats all okay But i wanna now following Szenario :
Attacker 15% crit
Defenses 20% crit reduction
How many % crit has the attacker exactly with AA , spells, cast. and than again with 25% reduction into negative and want to See If crit is lower than or exactly the Same like IT is with 20%

Go test it yourself then. Set up 2 toons at the numbers you want, and go attack for an hour. You'll need at least a few hundred attacks, the more you have the better the math will be. Go test it yourself. I am not your personal test bot.

[Daknallbomb]

I would But dont have Internet at the Moment and need someone who helps me Test that
And i dont wrote that you should Test that for me or?

[Dabbart]

You quote me and then say "I want to know the following:"

Yea. That's how it comes out. Remember a few threads ago where I asked you to stop, reread your posts, and make sure they make sense? You should try that.

[Daknallbomb]

??? Wy start youre kid Flame again... ?
Did you know it 100% that a negativ get crit Chance dont have any Effekt ? No! What we know now is that you Cant negate attackers crit nothing Else and i want to know more about that so i try people to test it with me.. Dont Make every Thing to youre Personal Thing! Here is nothing about you rly nothing. Yea i quote you But that dont means you have to test that! And As i wrote before quote : someone has time to test it with me... You are not someone mayb reread my post

And btw i know most ppl dont feel like that But thats an alpha Test Server we are nothing Else like Test bots nothing Else all of US