POLL - RVR - What would make you play more?

[Madcatmech]

Well, it seems that most of the comment want easier way to power ( more medallions , conq drop, more bags etc)

Of course and that is something that will make lots of ppl happy. But consider this, a 46 rr player having no difference in gear power etc than a 70 or 80rr player. I mean if thats the case, then the difference of 34 lvls ( witch needs months if years to achieve ) is not that extreme.

Yeah i am one of those tanks who cant get a good party so its doomed to get visually no medallions, and i know that if i were a healer or a Rdps i would had 4 to 5 times more medalions , but thats the game . Thats why there are old folks with tons and tons of hours in this game who have conq gear and all funcy jewls and they rock.

This mentality reminds me of the lineage pvp servers, all get max lvl and max gear within an hour and then just fight to death(sure this is a radical example but you get the point) . Its cool, but it will become really boring fast.

And dont forget that there is a hole new zone thats locked yet. With tons of new items and stuff . We want LOTD back! Let those vampires try to raise their personal undead army once more and create the TOMB KINGS.

Tanks have always had the short end of the stick when it comes to rewards; only 4 tanks can operate the rams, only 1 tank can tank lord, tanks are the most gimped solo roamer and DB stealer. Guarding/challenging/buffing doesnt account for any contribution.

On the other end the tanks are arguably the most important and difficult archetype to master (which is evident in how most if not all premades, both wb and sc, stand and fall with the quality of their tanks).

Only time tanks got the rewards they deserved was tanking PQ's in PvE.

[Collateral]

That's wrong. I got 5 gold bags in total, and was top 5 contribution multiple times. Also, getting DBs as a BO is not super hard. It's certainly not easy, but if you focus it you can do it (it's pointless though). The most kills I ever had was over 60 while I was in our warband, so it can be done (timing morales properly as well).

Also, take a look at all the high rr tanks from both sides, namely those that play in premades. You will notice they all have full conq/dominator gear. When you roll with good groups that get a lot of kills, it's a reward in itself since everyone will be getting medallions. In the first weeks of conq gear, there was a certain group that leeched the zerg on destro. They got conq in less than a month.

[Madcatmech]

That's wrong. I got 5 gold bags in total, and was top 5 contribution multiple times. Also, getting DBs as a BO is not super hard. It's certainly not easy, but if you focus it you can do it (it's pointless though). The most kills I ever had was over 60 while I was in our warband, so it can be done (timing morales properly as well).

Also, take a look at all the high rr tanks from both sides, namely those that play in premades. You will notice they all have full conq/dominator gear. When you roll with good groups that get a lot of kills, it's a reward in itself since everyone will be getting medallions. In the first weeks of conq gear, there was a certain group that leeched the zerg on destro. They got conq in less than a month.

First of all you play in a premade warband stomping pugs 99% of the time, so ofcourse you will get alot of rewards. Its about relativity; I am not saying its impossible to get renown or rewards, but there is a reason there are more dps RR75+ than there are tanks isnt there?

Also BO is not all tanks; BO just happens to have a morale that can attribute in getting kills in the way your guild plays (bombing).

Not that it matters much; im sure there are alot more dps waiting to join a party/wb than tanks

[Achilleos]

My biggest motivation-issue is simply how insanely slow exp gain is in RvR. SC are a bit better. But all in all I'm a little offset by how long it takes to level up.
Won't stop me from playing, as I love this game way too much. But it sure is a bummer.

[Acidic]

Less Zerg . Ok easy to write hard to identify how to do it

[Collateral]

First of all you play in a premade warband stomping pugs 99% of the time, so ofcourse you will get alot of rewards. Its about relativity; I am not saying its impossible to get renown or rewards, but there is a reason there are more dps RR75+ than there are tanks isnt there?

Also BO is not all tanks; BO just happens to have a morale that can attribute in getting kills in the way your guild plays (bombing).

Not that it matters much; im sure there are alot more dps waiting to join a party/wb than tanks

Exactly, I play in an organized guild, doesn't that say something to you And we try to stay away from pugs as much as we can, it's just that order gives no competition so we're left with nothing but pugs most of the time (there are some honorable exceptions). Also, it's not our problem that we are "stomping pugs 99% of the time". Get organized or die (or zerg), that's the game we're playing here.

Of course it's easier to play rdps, it's how the game works at the moment. Maybe one day it will change who knows, but it is what it is. The fact remains, playing in a group with good dps that can get a lot of kills will give you the best rewards. Now is this good or bad, it's up to players to decide. We had a couple of well known dps players and premades leeching our warband by just following us. Are they supposed to be rewarded for something they would never be able to achieve, i.e. killing massive amount of people in short amounts of time? Perhaps it's the DB system that needs to be looked at.

As far as morales, all tanks have raze, and I rarely get to use my M3 instant damage. But that's beside the point.

[Madcatmech]

First of all you play in a premade warband stomping pugs 99% of the time, so ofcourse you will get alot of rewards. Its about relativity; I am not saying its impossible to get renown or rewards, but there is a reason there are more dps RR75+ than there are tanks isnt there?

Also BO is not all tanks; BO just happens to have a morale that can attribute in getting kills in the way your guild plays (bombing).

Not that it matters much; im sure there are alot more dps waiting to join a party/wb than tanks

Exactly, I play in an organized guild, doesn't that say something to you And we try to stay away from pugs as much as we can, it's just that order gives no competition so we're left with nothing but pugs most of the time (there are some honorable exceptions). Also, it's not our problem that we are "stomping pugs 99% of the time". Get organized or die (or zerg), that's the game we're playing here.

Of course it's easier to play rdps, it's how the game works at the moment. Maybe one day it will change who knows, but it is what it is. The fact remains, playing in a group with good dps that can get a lot of kills will give you the best rewards. Now is this good or bad, it's up to players to decide. We had a couple of well known dps players and premades leeching our warband by just following us. Are they supposed to be rewarded for something they would never be able to achieve, i.e. killing massive amount of people in short amounts of time? Perhaps it's the DB system that needs to be looked at.

As far as morales, all tanks have raze, and I rarely get to use my M3 instant damage. But that's beside the point.

Oh mate i never meant the being organized or stomping pugs as an insult! i just meant that thats the situation you are given without any alternative. also agree that being organized should reward you overall more than when one chooses not to. excuz e moi. anyway agree about the DB system not being optimal.

[Grolar]

I like the poll. The topics are on point in one way or another for what most people here want to see changed. I would add that another topic be allowing for exchanging conq emblems for medallions and vice versa. Also put the weapons with both vendors and not just the emblems vendor.
I usually play both scenarios and oRvR with more emphasis on RvR. I'm of course trying to get both sets over time. This would help with getting one set faster for players who fluctuate like I do.

[Gerv]

Well, it seems that most of the comment want easier way to power ( more medallions , conq drop, more bags etc)

Of course and that is something that will make lots of ppl happy. But consider this, a 46 rr player having no difference in gear power etc than a 70 or 80rr player. I mean if thats the case, then the difference of 34 lvls ( witch needs months if years to achieve ) is not that extreme.

Yeah i am one of those tanks who cant get a good party so its doomed to get visually no medallions, and i know that if i were a healer or a Rdps i would had 4 to 5 times more medalions , but thats the game . Thats why there are old folks with tons and tons of hours in this game who have conq gear and all funcy jewls and they rock.

This mentality reminds me of the lineage pvp servers, all get max lvl and max gear within an hour and then just fight to death(sure this is a radical example but you get the point) . Its cool, but it will become really boring fast.

And dont forget that there is a hole new zone thats locked yet. With tons of new items and stuff . We want LOTD back! Let those vampires try to raise their personal undead army once more and create the TOMB KINGS.

Why can't you get a group, there are guilds across all time zones that are looking for experienced and committed tanks. If your oceanic and what that organised feel, send me a pm.

[th3gatekeeper]

Currency rate exchange from lower to higher tiers should be 2:1, not 5:1. Would encourage more to actually level via RvR and SCs so at t4 They can nearly insta buy merc and annihilater.

I have a yes and no reaction to this. I agree the 5 to 1 exchange rate is high when combined with the low drop rate for Conq and Merc currency, but disagree with the "insta-buy" notion of gear. The top line gear should not be easy to get, but the overall time factor involved could be addressed. Perhaps a 3 to 1 exchange rate happy medium.

I think you may have mis understood, or maybe I dont understand you - because we seem to agree.

"The top line gear should not be easy to get"

I 110% support this. Which is why I like to KEEP the fact that you cant exchange up TO the top of the line stuff (Dominator as an example).

But when going for things like Merc? That isnt "top of the line" and IMO Merc + Ruin should be the "intro" sets for T4 that are somewhat easy to get with short time investment...

I think more people would play during leveling, and less people would power level, if when DURING their "play while leveling" experience it was also HELPING them get the needed gear for t4. Right now people boost through T4 because its the most efficient way to get from Point A -> Point B.

Point A being level 1.
Point B being a 40/40 character.

You power level to tier 4, then PVP at tier 4. Fastest leveling + fastest renown.

How this MIGHT change is if during leveling it made your transition to tier 4 smoother, so that if you actually leveled... when you hit tier 4 you might have 30+ RR and might have enough currency for tier 4 "intro" gear (like Merc) then IMO less would power level.

Some of this changes with the new "removal of mid tiers" system though...