Nerfed buttons

[magter3001]

the majority use the conditional filters AND that is problem
If ppl stop using NB they will need more time to used to their characters rotation, more time to really master the class that they play, less time to xrealming and alting.

Now you make billions of mdps/rdps/tanks set similar alike NB sequences and whine that the game is dull, repetative and easy to play WHILE you didnt really played your characters

I'm starting to think people are using NB as an excuse now...

How many people do you think really use NB in the first place? Half the player base? A quarter? I don't think it's even that. Most people use NB to reduce the amount of abilities that are on their action bar, period. Then there is a small contingent of players who use it for the extra things it can do with conditions. Problem is, conditions are not reliable and are not the reason you're dying in orvr to the NB user.

If people stopped QQing about NB and instead focused more on learning their character's rotation, more time to really master the class they play and less time QQing on the forums... maybe they wouldn't care so much about those NB users.

If you don't like NB, then don't use it. If you don't like other people using NB, then get it yourself and use it and see what happens... how magically it will make you into a good players.

[Ekundu01]

I see a lot of people getting worked up over this addon and i don't see all the fuss. Maybe some haven't been around since the Daoc Days or never played that game. A good chunk of the Warhammer pop came from Daoc players so naturally a lot of addons created for this game were inspired by things that were done in Daoc.

As far as this addon goes the conditions (reactionary only aspect) of it was already in the base game of Daoc via the que system. For example you have a reactionary ability that would work off parry you could hit that first followed up with an attack that is an anytime attack, if you didn't parry you would use the 2nd attack if you did parry you would use the parry attack instead.

As far as stringing a series of attacks together, that could be duplicated via just about any gaming mouse.

And really how many reactionary abilities do we have in this game for it to be a real issue.

As far as it stopping you from wasting a Cooldown on someone who is immune that is very minor. Once you have an addon so you can see what buffs/debuffs people have on them it is not hard to see if the person you are targeting is immune. So really the only people it helps are button mashers and if you are losing to button mashers you have bigger issues then NB.

The players it does help are the older players and I would hate to see it be changed because it would hinder these players. There are people that play games that are in the 60+ age range (probably not many here) but I would guess you could find a few. Some of these players use NB to be able to react to the speed of the younger players.

[bloodi]

Using NB doesnt give you an advantage over ppl who dont use it, its as simple as that and in most cases it will hinder you more then help you, not sure why its so hard for some ppl to understand. If you are terrible and decide to use NB you will still be terrible.
Any excuse to justify losing.

Yes it does give and advantage, stop lying to either yourself or everyone, when i push the button and the addon decides to use my positional skill instead of the normal damage one, its an advantage, one i would not get not using the addon.

So instead of making **** up and denying that the sky is blue, accept already that NB does indeed grant you an advantage if properly used and that is why people are against it.

Stop making fallacies about how the only way to be against it is because you blame your loses on it or how it doesnt teach you how to play.

It decides for you in situations where without the addon, you would have to do it yourself, end of the story.

Either try to defend why that is fine or stop talking bullshit.

[StormX2]

i have "heard" that Nerfed Buttons is in discussion with the devs/mods I too find it to be a farce that it exists, and the only possible way I can see its usefulness, is for handicapped players.

Guy I played with from Sinister Swarm during live had war injury that resulted in very very poor coordination with hsi fingers (also missing a couple) and without nerfed buttons, he would never have been able to play very well.

[Cimba]

When I read this thread I imagined countless perfectly playing players who kill everything thanks to a thriving black market for NB condition chains.

And then I logged in and noticed: Most players are pretty bad and some players are even worse than me.

This leads me to the conclusion that the impact of NB on the gameplay in general in greatly exaggerated in this thread.

A valid point, but I'm just tired of people defending it, saying it's doesn't make much difference or that other addons are just as bad. NB is probably not very popular, but that doesn't mean it's not powerful. I don't expect the average player to use it, but I would dislike it, if they did, and that is why I'm objecting to notion that it's alright to use it.

Don't get me wrong but other addons are just as bad in my opnion. I get the feeling that people believe that using the right abilities at the right time is everything you need to do in warhammer.
While e.g. as tank being in the right place at the right time is much more important. And thats something NB can't help you with. But Enemy with the distance tracker can create a benefit there. Or Buffhead which shows you the timer of the outgoing healdebuff on that DoK without having to cycle through again. Or Target Rings and similar addons which help you to find the assist target faster.

All those addons had for me a much larger impact on my gameplay than NB had. Sure NB has it's value and I don't want to miss it on some of my chars but it's not the most important addon of my UI by a long stretch.

[magter3001]

Using NB doesnt give you an advantage over ppl who dont use it, its as simple as that and in most cases it will hinder you more then help you, not sure why its so hard for some ppl to understand. If you are terrible and decide to use NB you will still be terrible.
Any excuse to justify losing.

Yes it does give and advantage, stop lying to either yourself or everyone

Almost all addons give some sort of advantage, If you're playing the game with addons, who have no place to criticize players for using addons unless you're playing it completely vanilla... but that would be your own choice.

So instead of making **** up and denying that the sky is blue, accept already that NB does indeed grant you an advantage if properly used and that is why people are against it.

We don't see people against Enemy (makes it easier to see where your party is with large icons above their characters) That's an advantage too, so is pure or targetring by showing you where the enemy is even if an obstacle is in the way.

Stop making fallacies about how the only way to be against it is because you blame your loses on it or how it doesnt teach you how to play.

That's the fallacy that everyone uses to discredit NB users.

It decides for you in situations where without the addon, you would have to do it yourself, end of the story.

A BW putting his rotation on one key would still press the same buttons in the same order regardless of the "situation" No difference at all.

Either try to defend why that is fine or stop talking bullshit.

Just did but I doubt you'll care.

[Sulorie]

Remove all UI enhancing addons too when you are at it and see what you got.
Information is key, something the standard UI is seriously lacking.

NB was a bad excuse for losing years ago, nothing has changed.

[bloodi]

Almost all addons give some sort of advantage, If you're playing the game with addons, who have no place to criticize players for using addons unless you're playing it completely vanilla... but that would be your own choice.

This has to be the stupidest **** i read this week, congrats. I will be removing my keyboard and mouse together with my addons and play via serindipity so i can criticize NB on the forums.

The above, is sarcasm.

We don't see people against Enemy (makes it easier to see where your party is with large icons above their characters) That's an advantage too, so is pure or targetring by showing you where the enemy is even if an obstacle is in the way.

Ah great, semantics, now instead of trying to circle around the argument to not adress it, try to do so, here it goes again, the addon decides for you, as in, when i press a button, the addon chooses between positional skills and normal ones and if they former are able to be used, uses them, that is a decision the addon makes for me.

What decision does enemy take for you? None whatsoever.

That's the fallacy that everyone uses to discredit NB users.

No it does not, its just something you repeat ad naeseaum to avoid adressing the argument that most people have with it, the addon making decisions for you.

The only ones who post this **** is people who want NB to stay, no one gives a **** if NB teaches you or not, is about how it decides for you.

A BW putting his rotation on one key would still press the same buttons in the same order regardless of the "situation" No difference at all.

And a crafter still has to craft via the normal UI, luckily for me and sadly for you, this is so irrelevant to the convo that i can only assume you say it because you dont have anything else to say.

Just did but I doubt you'll care.

No you did not, at all, its not that i care or not, its just that even if i tell you repeatedly what the problem is, you magically forget to mention it and talk about issues no one brought up or cares about.

I said, once again, for nor less than 3 timess in this post, what the problem about the addon is and here goes again, for the 4 time, the addon makes decisions for you, tell me why that is fine or stop talking bullshit.

Not using **** colors to reply would also be appreciated.

[Gachimuchi]

Yes it does give and advantage, stop lying to either yourself or everyone, when i push the button and the addon decides to use my positional skill instead of the normal damage one, its an advantage, one i would not get not using the addon.

So instead of making **** up and denying that the sky is blue, accept already that NB does indeed grant you an advantage if properly used and that is why people are against it.

Stop making fallacies about how the only way to be against it is because you blame your loses on it or how it doesnt teach you how to play.

It decides for you in situations where without the addon, you would have to do it yourself, end of the story.

If enemy didn't show incoming heal debuffs, you would have to do it yourself. If better addons for scenarios didn't exist, you would have to out of party heal by finding people in the other party in the SC and doing it yourself.

Either try to defend why that is fine or stop talking bullshit.

This just in - bloodi decides all addons that give you are an advantage are frowned upon by the community at large. Devs pls remove all addons from the game that give you such an unfair advantage.

And still abrasive as always. Don't change bloodi, don't change for anyone

[bloodi]

This just in - bloodi decides all addons that give you are an advantage are frowned upon by the community at large. Devs pls remove all addons from the game that give you such an unfair advantage.

And still abrasive as always. Don't change bloodi, don't change for anyone

And here goes the 5 time.

Its about the addon making decisions for you, not the advantage.

But you are dense as always, try to change that however, do it for me.