Destro Troll Comps.. err premades getting old?

[Tklees]

ID is good probably better than the heal debuff on slayer ATM, the thing is you are allowed to bring more than 1 DPS :^)

>EW WH
>ST Slayer

3-2-1 setups lets you bring 2 RDPS

>DPS AM
>SW
>BW (just kidding their HD sucks balls :^) )


Destro is a lot more flush for healdebuffs, all their MDPS specs have HD in good trees... inb4 pull choppa is best :^) also SH HD cannot be cleansed by WP. Mara has best HD in the game whereas WL has none.

WP can not cleanse any inc healdebuff. They cleanse outgoing. Doks cleanse incoming. Its why IB is needed currently to apply PK to a groups doks. As to the location of heal debuffs WH and WE are in the same boat if they want their HD, Witchbrew spec or EW spec, or run without a finisher and KD and just spec the heal debuff and IP/FC at 32/40, Choppas is in pretty much the same tree, rampage vs aoe rage drop, as slayer, they just tend to go aoe tree because it is so strong with shatter and ID. Only real difference in HDs between order and destro are the Mara and WL, mara has an Inc debuff, WL has outgoing in a tree they cant really use yet.

[Landaren]

Uh

Bzzzz wrong

Soul killer hex outgoing healdebuff can be removed by WP
No more helpin curse outgoing heal debuff can be removed by WP

[Tklees]

Uh

Bzzzz wrong

Soul killer hex outgoing healdebuff can be removed by WP
No more helpin curse outgoing heal debuff can be removed by WP

read my post... INC heal debuffs, which are aliments... not go going...

[Jaycub]

**** didn't know WP can't cleanse any inc HD, just always hear "**** SH" from our WP's all the time lol.

Seems pretty destro biased that they can group cleanse inc debuffs, when inc is in most cases better than outgoing. Or maybe the problem is group cleanse is just OP.

[Tklees]

**** didn't know WP can't cleanse any inc HD, just always hear "**** SH" from our WP's all the time lol.

Seems pretty destro biased that they can group cleanse inc debuffs, when inc is in most cases better than outgoing. Or maybe the problem is group cleanse is just OP.

I posted it for clarity i know you know this stuff but others are reading the thread as well. As to the biased comment, it promotes group diversity for order more than destro a bit, as a properly positioned dok will be far from the melee pit and therefore to apply the debuff an IB has to leave his guard to do so. I don't really know how I feel about that tbh.

[Sizer]

So, I see a newish player coming to the forums to suggest that the game shouldnt be filled with troll comps to be met with "L2P" and "Just troll comp back"

Since considering troll comps ruin competition, why have them allowed? This is what has killed other games since a PUG group cannot even fight back. I cant tell you how many times running into a troll comp 2-3 times in a row has caused some players to just get off the game and not have desire to come back unless we have a big group.

Would they lose anyways to a premade? Well yeah... thats the nature of the game. But it would be much more enjoyable (it seems to me) if there were some "limit" as to the number of classes allowed on each side.

Just seems logical that if you want the game to succeed you want it to be competitive and dont just want to steam roll the other side and have them sit in spawn while you tick points...

Im trying to be nice here, but its hard since you seem intent on being a troll.

Anyway, since you seem new, theres a simple fact youre missing - having double of any class is NOT an advantage in this game. Its almost always a disadvantage. There are exceptions in certain cases (2x slayer/mara trains is one), but those usually only apply at 40 when people can get their full spec. That does not include sorcs or magus's (double sorc is an especially terrible comp, no heal debuff), as rdps are a lot more balanced as a whole than mdps/healers. In fact, one of the biggest balance issues regarding class stacking is with warrior priests.

Additionally, if you cared to look into it and read the whole forum (which would take a while, but would make you look like less of a troll), the devs are looking to fix both class stacking (not regarding sorcs, which isnt an issue, but with wp/dok/slayer/mara), and to put in a system where premades cannot get in the same scenario with pugs (which is the real reason why you lose every scen). Its just going to take some time, and whining that its not done yet is not going to make it go faster.

[Landaren]

I'm done after this post, not going to argue about what a WP cannot remove.

Go read some skill descriptions.
WP cannot remove ailments, in or out going heal debuffs that fall into that category cannot be removed by WP.

DoK on the other hand has a chance to remove all healing debuffs from everyone with their m2, ( technically all debuffs from everyone are removed but sense we are strictly speaking about healing debuffs)

[Tklees]

I'm done after this post, not going to argue about what a WP cannot remove.

Go read some skill descriptions.
WP cannot remove ailments, in or out going heal debuffs that fall into that category cannot be removed by WP.

DoK on the other hand has a chance to remove all healing debuffs from everyone with their m2, ( technically all debuffs from everyone are removed but sense we are strictly speaking about healing debuffs)

Lan... We aren't in disagreement... Read what I posted....

WP can not cleanse any inc healdebuff. They cleanse outgoing. Doks cleanse incoming.

[Gobtar]

**** didn't know WP can't cleanse any inc HD, just always hear "**** SH" from our WP's all the time lol.

Seems pretty destro biased that they can group cleanse inc debuffs, when inc is in most cases better than outgoing. Or maybe the problem is group cleanse is just OP.

WP can cleanse the Choppas double -HDs and the Doks inc HD. Doks cannot cleanse the terrible WP inc HD. Zealots on the other-hand cannot cleanse Slayers, Witch Hunters and Shadow Warriors, while the RP can indeed cleanse all incoming Heal Debuffs.

[Tklees]

**** didn't know WP can't cleanse any inc HD, just always hear "**** SH" from our WP's all the time lol.

Seems pretty destro biased that they can group cleanse inc debuffs, when inc is in most cases better than outgoing. Or maybe the problem is group cleanse is just OP.

WP can cleanse the Choppas double -HDs and the Doks inc HD. Doks cannot cleanse the terrible WP inc HD. Zealots on the other-hand cannot cleanse Slayers, Witch Hunters and Shadow Warriors, while the RP can indeed cleanse all incoming Heal Debuffs.

My mistake on the choppa. That makes zero sense to me why their HD would be a curse with the way the rest are all ailments