DE Racial Groups

[footpatrol2]

Ya I'm going to try and focus on it.

You guys know my stance on stuff I was just having idea's on things and thought it could be fun to share them.

[footpatrol2]

Sorry for the double post.

For a brief Second please exit the mixed group meta and enter the Racial group meta at the 12 man premade level.

High Elves can basically drop spirit resistances to zero which is their main damage type. Even against a resistance buffed group.

Who is the natural pairing against high elves? Dark Elves. Dark elves recognizes that they can't put up enough resistances to mitigate High elves spirit resistence debuff. So They fix this by making making it so the spells hardly land. Blackguards are the perfect tank to fighting a high elf premade/warband.

In addition. Hold the line is acquired by all tanks at level 10. It is my opinion that hold the line and hold the line tactics in competitive play are JUST as important as guard which is also acquired at level 10.

[Happenstance]

@footpatrol - Were you in the Dina Sul guild on Badlands? All of this talk of racial 6mans reminds me a lot of a group I used to play with. We ran HE 6s and Dwarf 12s a few times. Was fun.

[Defiance]

"If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford.

Dude, I understand the part about getting interest by putting these on the forums, but you should also consider that all these people shitting on the idea can take interest away just the same. Maybe a DE group isn't as strong as a Greenskin or Dwarf group. Maybe it's stronger, and just needs the right players to approach and adapt to problems in the right way, whatever the case...

I'd start advertising in game, even if you need a: mixed races to help form the guild, and b: a slow start as members grow and cohesion comes together.

You're dealing with people. People like the path of least resistance. Even if you're 110% right, and execution proves to be even better than anyone expected, no one is going to listen or take it seriously until they're shown. That's why people have asked you for video, or in game domination for weeks until they actually notice and give a ****.

So, my advice... make the guild, [Disciples of Khaine], [Hand of Khaine], [Khaine is a big deal, naming can be really easy], and start running some scens. Maybe you need to **** on a few people in Caledor before anyone will take you seriously (by maybe, I mean definitely). Case in point... I've used this analogy on the forums already; League of Legends, Rumble (could substitute a couple other chars here)... there was a time when NA thought Rumble was terrible, didn't fit the meta, blah blah blah... then Internationals happened. Before this, EU generally didn't give a **** what NA said and played Rumble anyway. At the Internationals, EU's premier team went on to use Rumble and crush the premier NA team of the time. After that, you couldn't queue NA without finding Rumble in a game for weeks. The same could be said for top lane roaming jungle - that also came from EU, because apparently it never crossed NA's omniscience (gotta stay in lane to faaaaarm, bruh! <- yeah, ok).

So, don't pay so much attention to public opinion. People are bombarded by words everyday, you'll prove nothing here. If you look around in society you'll see how public opinion not only changes like the weather, but often smells like garbage.

Just execute.
If you build it they will come, etc.
Good luck.

[footpatrol2]

Yes happenstance. I was in Dina Sul on badlands. I led that 12 man dwarf grp and HE group.

I played alltimegood the SM and some AM also forgot the name.

Are you the WL or the AM?
Contact me.

@defiance
Thanks, much appreciated response. Its nice to have something positive. I know this. I also know that even if you make a video people can state "oh bad players" and dismiss it.

I have already started the greenskinz guild. I have already started to get player interest. I need roughly 24 players interested to keep a consistent 12 man going. This will take time. It also sucks that I play on NA time. So any serious progression has to happen over the weekend.

I put up this DE group because it is fun to think outside the box and I wanted to share my idea's to the people that are willing to keep a open mind. It was also a mental exercise. A lot of comments I get are negative. But there are people that read this stuff and contact me in game and agree with me also. They just don't comment because they don't want to get shamed by public opinion.

Should I shut up and not share my idea's? Should I make it look like the public shamed me into obedience? In this post I found someone that used to run in my groups. I wouldn't have found him if I didn't keep posting stuff like this.

[Happenstance]

I was the other SM (Arclighte) and the Slayer in the Dwarf group. Fun times.

What character are you playing now?

[footpatrol2]

I remember you. God I forgot all the names unless told to me. Barely remember my own characters names.

Characters are in the sig atm. Was hoping to do something different like greenskinz. 12 man HE grp is nasty. It doesn't start taking off till 12 man imo. Check out my origins of balance topic man.

I had some eye opening experiences coming back to this game.

You still NA time? I can't play now since I'm at work and shouldn't be doing this anyway. I'll be on in a few hours. Gimme a character name your working on and I'll contact you when I log on.

[Defiance]

Should I shut up and not share my idea's? Should I make it look like the public shamed me into obedience? In this post I found someone that used to run in my groups. I wouldn't have found him if I didn't keep posting stuff like this.

Not at all!

I'm just suggesting that you use honey instead of vinegar to catch the flies. Speaking out of metaphor, maybe it's just a little frustrating going around in circles with people who say, "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY BECAUSE I PLAYED FOR YEARS AND ALL MY FRIENDS AND MY SERVER AND BLAH BLAH BLAH META" <- There is rarely ever any getting around this unless you force the people to eat their words, then they'll be like, "I thought it would work, I just wanted to see, glad you made it, can my alt join?" and other platitudes that dismiss the right now, when they've got nothing positive to say. It's just human nature. They laughed at the Wright brothers too... no one laughs anymore.

I'm glad people came to you in game about it... I'm just not sure what 5 more pages of this will do for your cause. Then again, no press is bad press, so by all means carry on.

PS: If you ever decide to do this for Empire, message me.

[footpatrol2]

@ defiance

Ya its something I have to constantly deal with is negativity. Its super hard to stay positive at all times.

I try to lace things with honey. Its my own character flaw that I go vinegar at times which i know turns ears into deaf ears. If you want I'd love to do a write up on Empire as a mental exercise and we can explore the different options if you want too. The goal and hope is that people see value in this line of thinking and start to act on their own to follow suite.

It is my belief that a lot of the synergy is still there but its been hacked up by mythic to save subs. If interest can be generated maybe we can get back some of the synergy that was hacked out.

Better yet @defiance we could get on vent or ts3 and just have like a discussion on stuff. SOOO much easier then writing crap out.

[Happenstance]

Interesting.

I remember the 6man HE group being tough. It felt viable but finding the right players was difficult. The Dwarf group scaled really well, though.

I'll shoot you a message tonight when I'm on.