Once the Devs have Client Control, the DoK and WP classes are slated for changes that will clarify and bolster their roles as melee healers in such a way as to make this the primary role of the class, with viable options as situational backline healers.
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Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
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Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
Played Meele Dok here and on live. So based on my experience (played till rr90 with several pauses) meele dok got waaaay more hate in the early days of AoR then it gets here. In AoR it was getting better at the end but still got some flames here and there. However here on RoR I hardly ever got any complains about me with my meele DoK in any of the SC's I played. Which is why I switched to single target dps zealot (Well and the trillion rdd's on order made meele dok very annoying from time to time). I guess I just missed the people flaming me and telling me how I should play my class while they clearly didn't understood how their easy dd is supposed to be played (or in other words running in full retard and dieing in a second no matter if healed or not).
Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
No. I was the drive behind those changes. I am that drive no longer, and I have advised others not to be either.Luuca wrote:Once the Devs have Client Control, the DoK and WP classes are slated for changes that will clarify and bolster their roles as melee healers in such a way as to make this the primary role of the class, with viable options as situational backline healers.
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Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
wait what?No. I was the drive behind those changes. I am that drive no longer, and I have advised others not to be either
Does that mean we shouldn't expect changes to the class to make melee healing more viable? just asking because my whole long term plan depends on that.
To the OP question, I think the hate is based in an understanding that the class in that role is no where near as powerful as a full healbot. Having played both ways on live and here there is no comparison. As full Salv I can pump out tons of constant healing with little to no risk.
As melee I can't be in the backlines and that means that many more destro (I play Wp) can target and focus me and that's exactly what happens. Between a healer being in front lines and being kited/mitigated to reduce healing we quickly become very ineffective.
You basically have a giant target on your back and then you need to go where everyone can target you to be effective. It just doesn't work nearly as well as full on healbot.
It's a shame really because it sort of works for the 1st part of the game, then in T4 it just falls apart. I want to go back to melee healing because I enjoy it a lot more
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Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
Realize the reasons for this may be personal or private, I apologize, but I feel I missed something here. What happened to make you change your mind so drastically on these issues? If you don't wish to share, I understand.Azarael wrote:No. I was the drive behind those changes. I am that drive no longer, and I have advised others not to be either.Luuca wrote:Once the Devs have Client Control, the DoK and WP classes are slated for changes that will clarify and bolster their roles as melee healers in such a way as to make this the primary role of the class, with viable options as situational backline healers.
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Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
sorry to hear that. In their current role of sippy-cup heal dispenser, they are quite effective; however, like you pointed out when the whole .ab ex thing started, it's not the spirit of the class and the HDPS options should be improved to provide a viable alternative.Azarael wrote:No. I was the drive behind those changes. I am that drive no longer, and I have advised others not to be either.Luuca wrote:Once the Devs have Client Control, the DoK and WP classes are slated for changes that will clarify and bolster their roles as melee healers in such a way as to make this the primary role of the class, with viable options as situational backline healers.
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Damn shame, I was pinning my hopes on client control to allow me to see the DoK with 2 swords again.
Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
It seems you have had a bad experience, I have never had to come up against such negativity from other players, I mean its up to you how you want to play. I have never found anything wrong with melee healing dok, its fine.. maybe a little too fine to be fair. The class functions fine and it just takes a bit of getting used to, it can fit in a group you just have to not be afraid of not running what is best and actually adapt to playing a different way.
If someone is telling you that its not effective or not good, or yelling at you for playing this way, then either
A) They are selfish.
B) They have no idea how to play it.
C) They are afraid to try something that might not be 'optimal' for easy success, and prefer to play it safe and 'normal'
I mean if you take a look at the server its easy to tell that not many people want them/want to try them in groups, but that is the nature of any game. It's not the most optimal way to play the class, and requires more group effort to make it work, so people don't play it. Even tho it's in a very strong spot more so than its WP counterpart, which has its issues.
I think the point you made kind of hits the nail on the head and I have basically just repeated what you are saying, anyone who is trying to be 'top dog' and super serious here, will not play it because its not fotm, the rest of us play it and enjoy it. There are groups that run them, they just don't pretend to be something they are not and adapt.
If someone is telling you that its not effective or not good, or yelling at you for playing this way, then either
A) They are selfish.
B) They have no idea how to play it.
C) They are afraid to try something that might not be 'optimal' for easy success, and prefer to play it safe and 'normal'
I mean if you take a look at the server its easy to tell that not many people want them/want to try them in groups, but that is the nature of any game. It's not the most optimal way to play the class, and requires more group effort to make it work, so people don't play it. Even tho it's in a very strong spot more so than its WP counterpart, which has its issues.
I think the point you made kind of hits the nail on the head and I have basically just repeated what you are saying, anyone who is trying to be 'top dog' and super serious here, will not play it because its not fotm, the rest of us play it and enjoy it. There are groups that run them, they just don't pretend to be something they are not and adapt.
Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
Most people probably won't care, so spoiler below.GodlessCrom wrote:Realize the reasons for this may be personal or private, I apologize, but I feel I missed something here. What happened to make you change your mind so drastically on these issues? If you don't wish to share, I understand.
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I sincerely wish you all the luck in the world with the rl circumstances and I hope to see you back in the game in the future!Azarael wrote:GodlessCrom wrote: Most people probably won't care, so spoiler below.
Re: Why do people hate on melee DoK/WP so much? (opinions wanted)
I read your response and appreciate it. For what it may be worth, know that ever since I first logged on here and to this day I appreciate the efforts you made to bring life to this game. Thank-you. I wish you well.Azarael wrote:Most people probably won't care, so spoiler below.
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