Pls enlight me

[hacbjr]

But still wp dok easy more than Amor cap and after Amor debuff still massiv Amor = dmg reduction.

meanwhile shamams got aoe detaunt + 5% disrupt, single target detaunt and Whazat Behind you?! so its like 3 dif detaunts? + RA + aoe snare and more tools to help them to kite, WP/DoK only got their AOE detaunt and their KB and their KB does not apply a slow like shamans and AM..... its harder to kill a Shaman than any other healer even a WP/DoK with AOE detaunt.

And im not even talking about healing because you can apply for 4 Hot's ( specing green cleanin) and cast all them from 150ft of your friendly target while you MOVE as a shaman, you can heal a lot by just throwing Hot's!, so why wp/dok got their detaunt? not hard to figure tbh... in my Humble opinion either Wp/Dok got their detaunt back or Shamans needs to get a little attention of how powerfull they are...........,. and you still think Wp/DoK got better dmg reduction after all the things i said here?

[Foltestik]

You can't really expect rr100 weapons to have the same SE regen our current weapons have. Sure it sucks, but like it makes sense.

For small scale environment i think dok/wp is still okay to play, especially in organized groups, IF you know who to detaunt and which tanks to avoid that is. But it must be hell on earth in orvr or for someone new who doesn't know which players are dangerous and need to be detaunted insta.
We can at least try to get the aoe detaunt back, even with increased cd as it was suggested, and see how it goes. Even with this "buff" you wont be seeing double doks everywhere, since zealot/shaman are at a very good place atm. Same goes for WP/AM/RP ofc.
*Just my 2 cents*

you dont need regen of 100 weapons, you need same regen proc like sov on life. But DoK / WP get nerfed to hell and dont get anything.
as backline healer - crap another 2 healers are far far better
as frontline healer - you need perma guard, sorry no spot for that in party
as melee dps - yep its good only little worst then another mdps

[Daknallbomb]

But still wp dok easy more than Amor cap and after Amor debuff still massiv Amor = dmg reduction.

meanwhile shamams got aoe detaunt + 5% disrupt, single target detaunt and Whazat Behind you?! so its like 3 dif detaunts? + RA + aoe snare and more tools to help them to kite, WP/DoK only got their AOE detaunt and their KB and their KB does not apply a slow like shamans and AM..... its harder to kill a Shaman than any other healer even a WP/DoK with AOE detaunt.

And im not even talking about healing because you can apply for 4 Hot's ( specing green cleanin) and cast all them from 150ft of your friendly target while you MOVE as a shaman, you can heal a lot by just throwing Hot's!, so why wp/dok got their detaunt? not hard to figure tbh... in my Humble opinion either Wp/Dok got their detaunt back or Shamans needs to get a little attention of how powerfull they are...........,. and you still think Wp/DoK got better dmg reduction after all the things i said here?

first of all it looks like oyu dont play a shammy ;D
1: a shammy has 2 hots not 4 and via tactic greener n cleener a third with 100 heal per second and you loose a good tactic slot
2 : all those hots are single target ,the only effektiv way to heal a grp is grp heal where a dok can give grp shields hots direct heals
3 : shammy aoe detaunt has 33% uptime dok wp had 100 % damnit 100 % with middle amor ......
4 : dok wp still has better dmg reduction than every other healer atm dok wp has rly other problems like resosurce gain and so on .
5 : a good aoe detaunt with down time mayb can be a good idea but not that 100 % uptime crap !
6 : the cool shammy aoe snare is cleanseble AND just has a range of 13- 15 feet aoe atm you can simply jump over it and it wont affect you if you run complete over it you are 1.3 seconds snared wow -. -
7 : shammy aoe knockback has 1 min cd
8 : dok + wp is atm in a rly bad spot for orvr and wbs because of ressource problem , think some proper proposals sohuld be made there + a aoe detaunt with down time
9:plz play shammy first and than talk about it

[hacbjr]

But still wp dok easy more than Amor cap and after Amor debuff still massiv Amor = dmg reduction.

meanwhile shamams got aoe detaunt + 5% disrupt, single target detaunt and Whazat Behind you?! so its like 3 dif detaunts? + RA + aoe snare and more tools to help them to kite, WP/DoK only got their AOE detaunt and their KB and their KB does not apply a slow like shamans and AM..... its harder to kill a Shaman than any other healer even a WP/DoK with AOE detaunt.

And im not even talking about healing because you can apply for 4 Hot's ( specing green cleanin) and cast all them from 150ft of your friendly target while you MOVE as a shaman, you can heal a lot by just throwing Hot's!, so why wp/dok got their detaunt? not hard to figure tbh... in my Humble opinion either Wp/Dok got their detaunt back or Shamans needs to get a little attention of how powerfull they are...........,. and you still think Wp/DoK got better dmg reduction after all the things i said here?

first of all it looks like oyu dont play a shammy ;D
1: a shammy has 2 hots not 4 and via tactic greener n cleener a third with 100 heal per second and you loose a good tactic slot
2 : all those hots are single target ,the only effektiv way to heal a grp is grp heal where a dok can give grp shields hots direct heals
3 : shammy aoe detaunt has 33% uptime dok wp had 100 % damnit 100 % with middle amor ......
4 : dok wp still has better dmg reduction than every other healer atm dok wp has rly other problems like resosurce gain and so on .
5 : a good aoe detaunt with down time mayb can be a good idea but not that 100 % uptime crap !
6 : the cool shammy aoe snare is cleanseble AND just has a range of 13- 15 feet aoe atm you can simply jump over it and it wont affect you if you run complete over it you are 1.3 seconds snared wow -. -
7 : shammy aoe knockback has 1 min cd
8 : dok + wp is atm in a rly bad spot for orvr and wbs because of ressource problem , think some proper proposals sohuld be made there + a aoe detaunt with down time
9:plz play shammy first and than talk about it

I stopped reading at number 1 but let me explain here the 4 hots: gork will fix, Green cleaning, Ey quit Bleeding, Do sumfin Usefil, and u got a shaman rr72? ............now do a favor and stop posting bs here tyvm

[Daknallbomb]

meanwhile shamams got aoe detaunt + 5% disrupt, single target detaunt and Whazat Behind you?! so its like 3 dif detaunts? + RA + aoe snare and more tools to help them to kite, WP/DoK only got their AOE detaunt and their KB and their KB does not apply a slow like shamans and AM..... its harder to kill a Shaman than any other healer even a WP/DoK with AOE detaunt.

And im not even talking about healing because you can apply for 4 Hot's ( specing green cleanin) and cast all them from 150ft of your friendly target while you MOVE as a shaman, you can heal a lot by just throwing Hot's!, so why wp/dok got their detaunt? not hard to figure tbh... in my Humble opinion either Wp/Dok got their detaunt back or Shamans needs to get a little attention of how powerfull they are...........,. and you still think Wp/DoK got better dmg reduction after all the things i said here?

first of all it looks like oyu dont play a shammy ;D
1: a shammy has 2 hots not 4 and via tactic greener n cleener a third with 100 heal per second and you loose a good tactic slot
2 : all those hots are single target ,the only effektiv way to heal a grp is grp heal where a dok can give grp shields hots direct heals
3 : shammy aoe detaunt has 33% uptime dok wp had 100 % damnit 100 % with middle amor ......
4 : dok wp still has better dmg reduction than every other healer atm dok wp has rly other problems like resosurce gain and so on .
5 : a good aoe detaunt with down time mayb can be a good idea but not that 100 % uptime crap !
6 : the cool shammy aoe snare is cleanseble AND just has a range of 13- 15 feet aoe atm you can simply jump over it and it wont affect you if you run complete over it you are 1.3 seconds snared wow -. -
7 : shammy aoe knockback has 1 min cd
8 : dok + wp is atm in a rly bad spot for orvr and wbs because of ressource problem , think some proper proposals sohuld be made there + a aoe detaunt with down time
9:plz play shammy first and than talk about it

I stopped reading at number 1 but let me explain here the 4 hots: gork will fix, Green cleaning, Ey quit Bleeding, Do sumfin Usefil, now do a favor and stop posting bs here tyvm

gork will fix it it a direct heal with hot at over 5 econds
green cleaning is no hot ( you need to cleanse somthing AND need a tctic AND than it heals for 900 over 9 sec so nealry nothing so rly plz dont count that as a hot -.- and again there is NO tactic slot as heal shammy for it
so we have ey quit bleeding and do sumfing useful two proper hots that crit for about 700 all in a game where two dps make 12k + in 3 seconds plz dont come me with you can hold someone alive via hots
would be better if you read everything mayb it helps you or just play a shammy .
jep shammy is in a good spot since . ab ex before rly everybody palyed double dok wp
but again thats not because of the detaunt there are other problems what wp has
what you are talking about you need 7 tactic slots auto detaunt run away grean clean and than 3 tac slots used wihtout any heal tactic plz try it out

[hacbjr]

first of all it looks like oyu dont play a shammy ;D
1: a shammy has 2 hots not 4 and via tactic greener n cleener a third with 100 heal per second and you loose a good tactic slot
2 : all those hots are single target ,the only effektiv way to heal a grp is grp heal where a dok can give grp shields hots direct heals
3 : shammy aoe detaunt has 33% uptime dok wp had 100 % damnit 100 % with middle amor ......
4 : dok wp still has better dmg reduction than every other healer atm dok wp has rly other problems like resosurce gain and so on .
5 : a good aoe detaunt with down time mayb can be a good idea but not that 100 % uptime crap !
6 : the cool shammy aoe snare is cleanseble AND just has a range of 13- 15 feet aoe atm you can simply jump over it and it wont affect you if you run complete over it you are 1.3 seconds snared wow -. -
7 : shammy aoe knockback has 1 min cd
8 : dok + wp is atm in a rly bad spot for orvr and wbs because of ressource problem , think some proper proposals sohuld be made there + a aoe detaunt with down time
9:plz play shammy first and than talk about it

I stopped reading at number 1 but let me explain here the 4 hots: gork will fix, Green cleaning, Ey quit Bleeding, Do sumfin Usefil, now do a favor and stop posting bs here tyvm

gork will fix it it a direct heal with hot at over 5 econds
green cleaning is no hot ( you need to cleanse somthing AND need a tctic AND than it heals for 900 over 9 sec so nealry nothing so rly plz dont count that as a hot -.- and again there is NO tactic slot as heal shammy for it
so we have ey quit bleeding and do sumfing useful two proper hots that crit for about 700 all in a game where two dps make 12k + in 3 seconds plz dont come me with you can hold someone alive via hots
would be better if you read everything mayb it helps you or just play a shammy .
jep shammy is in a good spot since . ab ex before rly everybody palyed double dok wp
but again thats not because of the detaunt there are other problems what wp has
what you are talking about you need 7 tactic slots auto detaunt run away grean clean and than 3 tac slots used wihtout any heal tactic plz try it out

I said on previous post you need a tatic for Green cleanin, and Gork will fix Applies a HOT for 5 sec like you said so, they are 4 hots say whatever you want they are 4 with 150FT

[Daknallbomb]

Okay i try IT last time you Cant use green and clean As heal shammy!!!! And you Cant hold up a gork will fix it Hot!!!!!
And what that has to do with aoe detaunt from wp dok?????
you cant compare the heal quality of a charakter to the survive ablillity of another one

There is Just one question Wy should a healer with The highest ammount of Amor have a 100% up time aoe detaunt. There is no answer for IT. A balanced aoe detaunt jep for Sure iam with you than.

[hacbjr]

Okay i try IT last time you Cant use green and clean As heal shammy!!!! And you Cant hold up a gork will fix it Hot!!!!!
And what that has to do with aoe detaunt from wp dok?????

really ask that to morfee or other decent shamam player, and about detaunt Just saying shamans can cast all the 4 hots with 150ft on the MOVE and if you get caught you got RA+ AOE snare and etc, Wp/Dok need their aoe detaunt to be able to stay close to the fight they only got their detaunt + KB............. max armor mitigation you can get is 75% everything about that wont help you.

[Tamarlan]

Please enlight me as I fail to see the reason for those tears.

My Main was a WP until Aza announced his plans for melee healing. Deleted my WP after this announcement. Until this time and before the AM and Shaman love patch everyone run DOK / WP and it was common sense that they perform too good.

What exactly has changed since this time that some people claim that DOK is unplayable?

[Bozzax]

they both (WP/DoK) have problem with SE/RF regen they have almost zero, in smallscale and scenarios you can hit samething to get same esence back but in orvr you can do **** and only pray. And when you start kiting you are dead.
i have DoK and WP (WP rr 100) on live and i start playing DoK here too, but i reroll for zealot, becouse of how DoK (dont) work here.

You can't really expect rr100 weapons to have the same SE regen our current weapons have. Sure it sucks, but like it makes sense.

For small scale environment i think dok/wp is still okay to play, especially in organized groups, IF you know who to detaunt and which tanks to avoid that is. But it must be hell on earth in orvr or for someone new who doesn't know which players are dangerous and need to be detaunted insta.
We can at least try to get the aoe detaunt back, even with increased cd as it was suggested, and see how it goes. Even with this "buff" you wont be seeing double doks everywhere, since zealot/shaman are at a very good place atm. Same goes for WP/AM/RP ofc.
*Just my 2 cents*

Even on live zeal / dok was great and with new lifetaps I'd guess a zeal / sham would likely be better then a dok / x setup even with 100% aoe detaunt.

The thing thar made dok/wp op was the wf/df procs. Also I think ror suffered a bit from most wps/doks being played by the best healers (players).

Personally I think Aoe detaunt should ne reverted fully.