[SM] New changes in patch (19th aug)

[ashton007]

As someone who has always played 2H spec I approve of the changes, primarily from the base-line position it makes logical sense for a Khaine spec Swordmaster to have access to a knock-down. This change has been far too long in coming.

Absolutely the best change ive seen in a while.

[Charon]

All changes that were implemented so far move SM in very interesting direction for both snb and 2h SMs. This class currently is realy open to various builds not only 2 like it was previously. If i may point some minor problems that still exist it would be:
- phantom blade (on the forum there was long debate about making it aoe whitch i think would be interesting (like small aoe buble 50-200/300 with full mastery)
- heavens blade which needs total remaster.
- new vaul 13pt ability - i dont think it should give armor buff. Its rather thematycally conected with IB and might be used when devs decide to buff stone ib mastery (which currently sucks;). Instead i would suggest to replace it by all avoidances buff like 20%/15% for 5 to 7 sek. I feel that after losing kd vaul mastery again moves into secondary/supportive role and need something strong/appealing to make it again worth taking as a main back bone for smaller scale def SM builds.
- (very very minor) new khain tree looks so similar to IB Vengeance Path

[Ugle]

Imo all 3 masteries are in a way better place than before, both by the skills themselvs but also by the synergies and spec options made available.

Questions for confirmation (if anyone have tested properly)

1. Does raking talons tactic actualty work? To my experience it did not apply debuff to target that was well within 20 ft. Might be me seeing wrong hence the question.

2. Does raking talons effect stack with challenge and guard, being a tactic?

3. If yes, does it stack additive or multiplically?

4. Does new vaul 13 pt ability armor component stck with pots? (I presume no)

5. Is phoenix Wing supposed to have 2h req? (For Aza)

[Charon]

1 - Buff head shows that debuff is correctly applied but i dont know if it realy decrease dmg or can be avoided but i think it works
2 - Taking into consideration stacking rules (yes i know) it should not work with challenge but it should works with Distracting bellow m3;p
4 - Vaul 13 pt seem to be bugged currently. it armor buff doesnt stack with pots similarly to previous Aethyric Armor (this is why i suggest change) but Crushing Advance still applies it armor buff which stacks with vaul 13 pt. Both give around 1300-1500 armor total.
5 PW still has 2h req (i think there is no proper animation to change it)

[Azarael]

Raking Talons was bugged, should have been fixed.
Vaul 13pt is bugged - does not apply immunity to groupmates.
P'W requires a 2h. Morale drain may change to be directly tied to P'W and thus 2h during future changes. I didn't really intend WoH spam.

[Tolfhic]

WoH has such a high AP cost though, I believe the highest of any SM ability, has WoH spam been a notable issue? Seems like you can only get off 2 or 3 while rotating stances. I don't mind moral drain being tied to PW, it's the most effective use of it, just a shame to lose it off other Hoeth abilities.

[Ugle]

Thanks for the reply

[Ramasee]

WoH is 55 ap, PoH is 25 SO. Sudden shift is free. Perfect balance abilities are free.

This means you can use 6 abilities for 135 ap cost. 2-3 of them would be AoE. Add a RP in there and you can attack for a rather long time

[Aethilmar]

Raking Talons was bugged, should have been fixed.
Vaul 13pt is bugged - does not apply immunity to groupmates.
P'W requires a 2h. Morale drain may change to be directly tied to P'W and thus 2h during future changes. I didn't really intend WoH spam.

Ahem.... WoH bombing. Spam sounds so inelegant and demeaning.

But, yeah, you can easily get off three WoH in short order so probably for the best.

[ashton007]

Raking Talons was bugged, should have been fixed.
Vaul 13pt is bugged - does not apply immunity to groupmates.
P'W requires a 2h. Morale drain may change to be directly tied to P'W and thus 2h during future changes. I didn't really intend WoH spam.

Ahem.... WoH bombing. Spam sounds so inelegant and demeaning.

But, yeah, you can easily get off three WoH in short order so probably for the best.

Yeah but you can proc an insane amount of natures blades now