2 queries about marauder

[Luth]

Choppa too. I never got the point of this.

[Bozzax]

ye poor pooor design

[Coryphaus]

I never got the point of this.

Its a common phrase when it come to all things related to WAR abilities and balance

[Bozzax]

These are the changes I’d like to se myself instead of nit picking classes

• Stacked debuffs x3 are made to single pop x1 debuffs
  
  Buffs/debuffs are made to stack up to the current ALPHA cap
  Example: 2xChosen/KOTBs auraas stack and therfore debuff 378 resistance
  
  AOE passives should debuff 50% of the current ALPHA cap
  
  Normalize maximums of debuffs/buffs (se below)

Normalize debuff/buff maximums

• Abilities 120
  Single stat Tactics (also tactic/ability) 160
  Multi stat tactics 120
  Morales 120/160/200/240

Excepetions

• Initiative caps -40
  Wounds caps +40
  Willpower +120

Affecting abilities

• WH Exit wounds 240/240/240 > 120/120/120
  
  MARA Ferocious Assault 200/200 > 120/120
  MARA Thunderous Blow 160 > 120
  
  SHAM Do Sumfin Useful 240 > 120
  
  KOTBs Runefang 240/240/240 > 160/160/160
  KOTBs Emperor's Champion 240/240/240 > 160/160/160
  
  BG Brutal smash 480 > 240
  BG Mind killer 3x40 > 1x120
  
  IB Inspiring Attack 480 > 240
  
  CHOP Slasha 3x40 > 1x120
  
  SLAYER Devastate 160 > 120
  SLAYER Pulverizing Strike 3x40 > 1x120
  
  BW Fuel the fire 360 > 280
  
  SORC Vision of Domination 360 > 280
  
  RP Protection of the Ancestors 160 > 120
  
  ZEAL Daemonic Fortitude 160 > 120

Lastly consider

• Change Mara/WL armor debuff 990 wouldn't hurt either as they have bypass as well.
  Reduce CHOSEN Sprout Carapace to 20s
  Reduce ENGI Cannon Smash to 1056/15s
  Reduce MAGUS Tzeentch's Talon 990/15s

Most of the **** we are whining about comes from current un-normalized debuts/buffs

[daed4]

I like the part where "marauders being op in low tiers is WROOOOOONG however most sigmar priests, WH, WL, and other order chars... being OP is fine!" <3 this logic.

[Bozzax]

I like the part where "marauders being op in low tiers is WROOOOOONG however most sigmar priests, WH, WL, and other order chars... being OP is fine!" <3 this logic.

The whine has very little to do with lower tiers. Maras is a "swizz army knife debuffer" and most of the debuts are current max values. Meaning same debuffs from other classes on dest are often weaker. So why bring another class?

[daed4]

I like the part where "marauders being op in low tiers is WROOOOOONG however most sigmar priests, WH, WL, and other order chars... being OP is fine!" <3 this logic.

The whine has very little to do with lower tiers. Maras is a "swizz army knife debuffer" and most of the debuts are current max values. Meaning same debuffs from other classes on dest are often weaker. So why bring another class?

It balances out with the fact the rest of chaos classes are from "balanced" to "worse than order" :^)

[Korhill]

Saying that WL are OP just shows me that you have no clue

[Coryphaus]

It balances out with the fact the rest of chaos classes are from "balanced" to "worse than order" :^)

And this annoys me to no end, that people use mara to justify imbalance; some time ago me and tesq were arguing against range KD’s and some other imbalances that ordo have and the counter response every was “well mara can do this, mara can do that”

[Azarael]

Yes, "B-but your faction has stuff too!" is a deflection and a copout. Both sides should be arguing the point, not trying to justify imbalance with imbalance.