Y’all need to buff 2H chosen

[normanis]

byff bad chosens

[CountTalabecland]

2h spec does not equal dps spec.

2h, for majority of tanks, has some utility locked behind it. You can still be tanky and be 2h. You trade one level of defense against ranged and guard damage by losing block.

Parry, which every 2h should stack, still mitigates guard damage. Combine this with toughness, and a 2h tank is still tank combined with wounds/armor from gear/talis/pot.

You still play like normal and focus guard and CC. 100% still a tank role, not trying to be a Dps.

“DPS” tank is the subopitmal thing where pppl intentionally go low defense for more offense with the intention of playing like a DPS class or solo.

Tldr, not all 2h tanks are DPS tanks.

[Rapzel]

“ After the introduction of Corruptive Power I don't see any issues with Chosen as a tank, yes before Chosen got this it was a walking punt/aura bot, but now it actually brings some great utility to groups.”

Why would I care about tank spec? The entire post is how outdated and lackluster 2H chosen is. And before I hear anything about, “it’s a tank class, play tank” then the 2H mastery tree shouldn’t exist for the class.

Period

Why should we care about the minority that wants to play DPS on a tank?

Imagine still having this outdated mentality that being labeled as a tank means you exist to be a guard bot

The 2h spec exists, tanks like SM and blorc exist to be DPS brawlers before these devs gutted the shield specs by removing THC from from SnB spec

The purpose of 2H specs is either to do damage like Blorc or to apply utility effects like crimson death on BG

That's what you trade block, htl, survivability with mixed defenses and everything else that comes with a shield


Chosen lost the utility of crippling strikes + rending blade in it's 2h spec so the only thing it can do now is damage because the RoR devs removed the original purpose of the spec

2h tanks like BO/SM have less utility and worse punts, there by being neutered for any group play, check the most successful tank careers in ranked and ponder about why there's so few BOs and SMs if damage is the solution to everything.

Are you surprised that you lock into the tank role when you pick a career under the archetype tank?
Should careers like shadow warriors and marauders get a healer specs then or should only healers and tanks be allowed to have their main archetype + DPS spec?

Chosen is fine, not as good as BG or KotBS in group play, but it's fine.

[Amdus]

They really just need to bring back crippling strikes, they gave it to SM and said it was too broken for chosens. It wasn’t, the devs here are order bias, now order has (aoe) 20%damage reduction(stacking with challenge and bellow)/ap aura/15% heal/ And now they have better morale pumping ( pretty much left destro high and dry)

Don't forget to add that BG had an equivalent to wall of darting steel called rebounding hatred.

[Alucard2010]

Why should we care about the minority that wants to play DPS on a tank?

Imagine still having this outdated mentality that being labeled as a tank means you exist to be a guard bot

The 2h spec exists, tanks like SM and blorc exist to be DPS brawlers before these devs gutted the shield specs by removing THC from from SnB spec

The purpose of 2H specs is either to do damage like Blorc or to apply utility effects like crimson death on BG

That's what you trade block, htl, survivability with mixed defenses and everything else that comes with a shield


Chosen lost the utility of crippling strikes + rending blade in it's 2h spec so the only thing it can do now is damage because the RoR devs removed the original purpose of the spec

2h tanks like BO/SM have less utility and worse punts, there by being neutered for any group play, check the most successful tank careers in ranked and ponder about why there's so few BOs and SMs if damage is the solution to everything.

Are you surprised that you lock into the tank role when you pick a career under the archetype tank?
Should careers like shadow warriors and marauders get a healer specs then or should only healers and tanks be allowed to have their main archetype + DPS spec?

Chosen is fine, not as good as BG or KotBS in group play, but it's fine.

2h BG PUMP damage out and have just as much utility. Shield DOKs/WP PUMP damage AND heals. Why should these exist as playable off specs with meaningful output while others shouldn't?

[TenTonHammer]

2h spec does not equal dps spec.

2h, for majority of tanks, has some utility locked behind it. You can still be tanky and be 2h. You trade one level of defense against ranged and guard damage by losing block.

Parry, which every 2h should stack, still mitigates guard damage. Combine this with toughness, and a 2h tank is still tank combined with wounds/armor from gear/talis/pot.

You still play like normal and focus guard and CC. 100% still a tank role, not trying to be a Dps.

“DPS” tank is the subopitmal thing where pppl intentionally go low defense for more offense with the intention of playing like a DPS class or solo.

Tldr, not all 2h tanks are DPS tanks.

Your right the 2h spec on tanks is designed to trade survivability for utility often for ORvR level play

The problem is that the utility that came from crippling strikes + rending blade was long removed so the only option the spec now can do is damage. Something should be done to rending blade to give the spec a utility purpose again

Why should we care about the minority that wants to play DPS on a tank?

Imagine still having this outdated mentality that being labeled as a tank means you exist to be a guard bot

The 2h spec exists, tanks like SM and blorc exist to be DPS brawlers before these devs gutted the shield specs by removing THC from from SnB spec

The purpose of 2H specs is either to do damage like Blorc or to apply utility effects like crimson death on BG

That's what you trade block, htl, survivability with mixed defenses and everything else that comes with a shield


Chosen lost the utility of crippling strikes + rending blade in it's 2h spec so the only thing it can do now is damage because the RoR devs removed the original purpose of the spec

2h tanks like BO/SM have less utility and worse punts, there by being neutered for any group play, check the most successful tank careers in ranked and ponder about why there's so few BOs and SMs if damage is the solution to everything.

Are you surprised that you lock into the tank role when you pick a career under the archetype tank?
Should careers like shadow warriors and marauders get a healer specs then or should only healers and tanks be allowed to have their main archetype + DPS spec?

Chosen is fine, not as good as BG or KotBS in group play, but it's fine.

So your argument is that m and rdps don't have an off spec so it's unfair that healers and tanks do?

[Rapzel]

2h spec does not equal dps spec.

2h, for majority of tanks, has some utility locked behind it. You can still be tanky and be 2h. You trade one level of defense against ranged and guard damage by losing block.

Parry, which every 2h should stack, still mitigates guard damage. Combine this with toughness, and a 2h tank is still tank combined with wounds/armor from gear/talis/pot.

You still play like normal and focus guard and CC. 100% still a tank role, not trying to be a Dps.

“DPS” tank is the subopitmal thing where pppl intentionally go low defense for more offense with the intention of playing like a DPS class or solo.

Tldr, not all 2h tanks are DPS tanks.

Your right the 2h spec on tanks is designed to trade survivability for utility often for ORvR level play

The problem is that the utility that came from crippling strikes + rending blade was long removed so the only option the spec now can do is damage. Something should be done to rending blade to give the spec a utility purpose again

Imagine still having this outdated mentality that being labeled as a tank means you exist to be a guard bot

The 2h spec exists, tanks like SM and blorc exist to be DPS brawlers before these devs gutted the shield specs by removing THC from from SnB spec

The purpose of 2H specs is either to do damage like Blorc or to apply utility effects like crimson death on BG

That's what you trade block, htl, survivability with mixed defenses and everything else that comes with a shield


Chosen lost the utility of crippling strikes + rending blade in it's 2h spec so the only thing it can do now is damage because the RoR devs removed the original purpose of the spec

2h tanks like BO/SM have less utility and worse punts, there by being neutered for any group play, check the most successful tank careers in ranked and ponder about why there's so few BOs and SMs if damage is the solution to everything.

Are you surprised that you lock into the tank role when you pick a career under the archetype tank?
Should careers like shadow warriors and marauders get a healer specs then or should only healers and tanks be allowed to have their main archetype + DPS spec?

Chosen is fine, not as good as BG or KotBS in group play, but it's fine.

So your argument is that m and rdps don't have an off spec so it's unfair that healers and tanks do?

No my argument is stated in the first sentence.

[diegomess]

I dont mind with more damage for knights, i dont know how the ppl who play this class get their dopamine is just the same predictable play when you see a knight... get stuned and super punt 24/7 and being immortal.

BUT chosen 2h needs something besides just damage which is decent but not as good as BO and BG. It needs utility

[oaliaen]

BUT chosen 2h needs something besides just damage which is decent but not as good as BO and BG. It needs utility

Yea...They did it whit the Corruptive Power tactic, but it got nerfed whitin 24h and now its a useless one.

[CountTalabecland]

Devs, historically speaking, are not big fans of 2h tanks as shown by their attempt to eradicate them that one time by making their guard less effective than SnB (read "real") tanks.

Furthermore, they have also stated that they flat out don't want Knight doing damage.

I agree that 2h tank should be utility based and have a good off spec for small scale that involves being first and foremost a tank.

Knight has a fix soon* anyways so we will need to wait and see if he is left standing at all let alone as 2h.