Witch Hunter killed me in PVE

[wargrimnir]

In other MMO's you can't get flagged for PvP, using AoE - Had no idea that was the case in WAR/RoR. While not a huge issue, it is a bit scuffed if that's really the case.

That's not the case here. His post is implying it happened, but hasn't actually tested or tried to provide evidence or report it as a bug. The subtext is that development did something wrong and they should fix it, but devs aren't going to look at it without someone testing the actual circumstance and posting it to the bugtracker. He was probably just flagged for PvP and didn't realize it.

[Kvasir01]

In other MMO's you can't get flagged for PvP, using AoE - Had no idea that was the case in WAR/RoR. While not a huge issue, it is a bit scuffed if that's really the case.

That's not the case here. His post is implying it happened, but hasn't actually tested or tried to provide evidence or report it as a bug. The subtext is that development did something wrong and they should fix it, but devs aren't going to look at it without someone testing the actual circumstance and posting it to the bugtracker. He was probably just flagged for PvP and didn't realize it.

My post from earlier in this same thread:

"Went back and did some testing with this. Made sure I was unflagged, in PVE area and found a flagged enemy. When I AOE'd near the enemy, he took damage and I became flagged. So (with regards to AOE damage) it makes no difference what you are flagged. What matters is what the enemy is flagged as he can force you into PVP, if he is flagged, or resist all your damage if he isn't flagged. I'm surprised this has never happened to me before as it's a great way to grief people farming in PVE. How long has it been this way?"

So after implying it I actually tested it and found it to be true. I haven't provided evidence because a stealthed character of the opposing side doesn't appear on my screen. As I stated all I can show is that I am in a PVE area and I am killed by a witch hunter who unstealths and kills me. My subtext was is this the way the game works? I'd simply like to know if it is possible for stealthed flagged players to force unflagged players to flag through AOE. If you are saying the game isn't coded to let this happen, then I have found a bug and will continue to test it and with cooperation from a witch, try to show video evidence from both sides that this can be done. If the game is coded to do this, then it's just part of the game. I can move on and enjoy the game and be more careful in PVE. I'm sorry I should have made this clearer from the outset. Is what I am describing something that can happen? Or, is what I am describing a bug that I need to record and show proof of happening so it can be looked at/ fixed? And thank you for helping me figure this out wargrimnir, I know you are busy, and appreciate your time. I just don't know if this is a bug or working as intended

[wargrimnir]

In other MMO's you can't get flagged for PvP, using AoE - Had no idea that was the case in WAR/RoR. While not a huge issue, it is a bit scuffed if that's really the case.

That's not the case here. His post is implying it happened, but hasn't actually tested or tried to provide evidence or report it as a bug. The subtext is that development did something wrong and they should fix it, but devs aren't going to look at it without someone testing the actual circumstance and posting it to the bugtracker. He was probably just flagged for PvP and didn't realize it.

My post from earlier in this same thread:

"Went back and did some testing with this. Made sure I was unflagged, in PVE area and found a flagged enemy. When I AOE'd near the enemy, he took damage and I became flagged. So (with regards to AOE damage) it makes no difference what you are flagged. What matters is what the enemy is flagged as he can force you into PVP, if he is flagged, or resist all your damage if he isn't flagged. I'm surprised this has never happened to me before as it's a great way to grief people farming in PVE. How long has it been this way?"

So after implying it I actually tested it and found it to be true. I haven't provided evidence because a stealthed character of the opposing side doesn't appear on my screen. As I stated all I can show is that I am in a PVE area and I am killed by a witch hunter who unstealths and kills me. My subtext was is this the way the game works? I'd simply like to know if it is possible for stealthed flagged players to force unflagged players to flag through AOE. If you are saying the game isn't coded to let this happen, then I have found a bug and will continue to test it and with cooperation from a witch, try to show video evidence from both sides that this can be done. If the game is coded to do this, then it's just part of the game. I can move on and enjoy the game and be more careful in PVE. I'm sorry I should have made this clearer from the outset. Is what I am describing something that can happen? Or, is what I am describing a bug that I need to record and show proof of happening so it can be looked at/ fixed? And thank you for helping me figure this out wargrimnir, I know you are busy, and appreciate your time. I just don't know if this is a bug or working as intended

If you're not flagged for PvP then someone walking into your aoe attack on mobs shouldn't change anything. I don't think changes to the ability system recently would have anything to do with this. There are other reasons you might have been flagged and not realized it, particularly moving through an RvR area. If you're just using the /pvp to unflag, that's not always reliable. The best way to make sure you're unflagged is logging off and on again. Posting a video would help a lot in clearing up what you've actually experienced.

The implementation you should expect is/was(?) the not-dumb version that makes sense. Aoe shouldn't have an interaction between flagged and unflagged players.

[Tesq]

I was in the Black Crag PVE area earlier with my buddy( the PVP part of the zone was not active), were both mara's, just doing some farming. We weren't flagged PVP, had been in the PVE area exploring/killing mobs for a couple of hours. A witch hunter named xxxxx popped out and killed me right before I engaged a mob, killed me, and then killed buddy. My question is how is this possible? At first, I thought maybe I had AOE'd him while he was in stealth and caused me to go PVP (which shouldn't happen in PVE but is all I could think of), but then upon reviewing the video my buddy took of the incident, I was attacked while standing still and not in combat and no mobs around me. This has never happened to me in RoR PVE in the years I have played this game. Is this a new thing that's happening to people now? Are we now fair game to be killed by witch hunters anywhere in the game?

Edit: Removed name by request

if wh is flag for pvp and you dish aoe you will flag yourself by hitting it, thus he will be able to kill you.

The flag in pve allow you "to be hit" and not " to hit", so other realm can force a pvp while you aoe farm. It happened dozen time on my magus vs some WH.

[wargrimnir]

I was in the Black Crag PVE area earlier with my buddy( the PVP part of the zone was not active), were both mara's, just doing some farming. We weren't flagged PVP, had been in the PVE area exploring/killing mobs for a couple of hours. A witch hunter named xxxxx popped out and killed me right before I engaged a mob, killed me, and then killed buddy. My question is how is this possible? At first, I thought maybe I had AOE'd him while he was in stealth and caused me to go PVP (which shouldn't happen in PVE but is all I could think of), but then upon reviewing the video my buddy took of the incident, I was attacked while standing still and not in combat and no mobs around me. This has never happened to me in RoR PVE in the years I have played this game. Is this a new thing that's happening to people now? Are we now fair game to be killed by witch hunters anywhere in the game?

Edit: Removed name by request

if wh is flag for pvp and you dish aoe you will flag yourself by hitting it, thus he will be able to kill you.

The flag in pve allow you "to be hit" and not " to hit", so other realm can force a pvp while you aoe farm. It happened dozen time on my magus vs some WH.

It sounds like you were still flagged and didn't realize it. I went out with a dev and tested several iterations. If you're not flagged, you cannot get flagged by another player. None of their attacks will hit, untargeted aoes will not hit. You can't get flagged using untargeted AOE, or when attacking a monster with targeted AOE. You have to target the other player to flag for RvR if you're unflagged. What I suspect happened is you targeted the other player, they got hit with an aoe, then you were flagged, which is legit. Feel free to prove a situation where that's not accurate, as far as we can tell it's working as intended.

The /pvp command will instantly flag you for RvR, however there is a 10 minute timer before that command will unflag you for RvR. Also, if you initiate any PvP actions or enter RvR while that 10 minute timer is ticking down, it will stop counting and you will have to initiate it again outside of RvR.

If you want to ensure you're no longer PvP flagged the best method is logging off, then logging back on again.

[ReBiff]

i have found video evidence of this WH. here it is https://youtu.be/ATP6xK4zZ_k

[Haojin]

possible meme of the 2022, keep it going ty.

[Kvasir01]

i have found video evidence of this WH. here it is https://youtu.be/ATP6xK4zZ_k

ROFL

Ok that made me laugh!

[Darks63]

Weird awhile back i was on my engie unflagged farming scales and had a witch trying to do what you say happened(running around in front of BB, in napalm, etc) but as long as i never directly targeted her i didnt flag so the WE left after a bit failing to bait me into flagging. My guess is that being above BMH and the weird pve/pvp overlap in BC you got flagged at some point and didnt know.

[Tesq]

Spoiler:

In other MMO's you can't get flagged for PvP, using AoE - Had no idea that was the case in WAR/RoR. While not a huge issue, it is a bit scuffed if that's really the case.

That's not the case here. His post is implying it happened, but hasn't actually tested or tried to provide evidence or report it as a bug. The subtext is that development did something wrong and they should fix it, but devs aren't going to look at it without someone testing the actual circumstance and posting it to the bugtracker. He was probably just flagged for PvP and didn't realize it.

My post from earlier in this same thread:

"Went back and did some testing with this. Made sure I was unflagged, in PVE area and found a flagged enemy. When I AOE'd near the enemy, he took damage and I became flagged. So (with regards to AOE damage) it makes no difference what you are flagged. What matters is what the enemy is flagged as he can force you into PVP, if he is flagged, or resist all your damage if he isn't flagged. I'm surprised this has never happened to me before as it's a great way to grief people farming in PVE. How long has it been this way?"

So after implying it I actually tested it and found it to be true. I haven't provided evidence because a stealthed character of the opposing side doesn't appear on my screen. As I stated all I can show is that I am in a PVE area and I am killed by a witch hunter who unstealths and kills me. My subtext was is this the way the game works? I'd simply like to know if it is possible for stealthed flagged players to force unflagged players to flag through AOE. If you are saying the game isn't coded to let this happen, then I have found a bug and will continue to test it and with cooperation from a witch, try to show video evidence from both sides that this can be done. If the game is coded to do this, then it's just part of the game. I can move on and enjoy the game and be more careful in PVE. I'm sorry I should have made this clearer from the outset. Is what I am describing something that can happen? Or, is what I am describing a bug that I need to record and show proof of happening so it can be looked at/ fixed? And thank you for helping me figure this out wargrimnir, I know you are busy, and appreciate your time. I just don't know if this is a bug or working as intended

worry not it has been this way for ages, the only variable i can think of considering what ppl said is a bug in kv due where happened to me 1 year ago or either when you aoe attak the app auto select as primary target the flagged enemy and therefore you get flag since you are target-ing him (happen for example when target die and use another aoe atk, since the game always have to put a target when you make any dmg, unless is some object which by default CANT be target).