Lets Theory-craft: Slayers vs Choppas

[Coryphaus]

4k hp on a glass cannon like choppa means nothing espically with all the rdps on Ordo and the low tough choppa has

Jagged edge is nice but crit chance is low to reliably proc and in which case stab you gooder is better any way

As it stands right now with the way the server is raw str and ws is better

This discussion on slayers > choppas was needed eventually anyway a just I feel good to discuss all class imbalances (like sm and blorc vs other tanks) early so az and co can decide on if and what changes to make and so that t3-t4 become much more balanced

[Tesq]

But on the grand scheme of things changing tactics around will not address the disparity between choppas and slayers, only delay the issue

I have no idea how hard it would be to mirror an ability but honestly it's mainly ID that's causing the gap. When they created that ID-remove addon on live servers the two classes were fine all of a sudden.

When the day comes maybe it will be possible to mirror Git To Da Choppa or change ID to only hit one additional target or make it cleansable. Slayers will still wreck people with Rampage in duels but who the f cares about that.

cos rampage + shatter limbs combo x 2 slayer will not wreck anythign eh?

it's not >ID it's all togheter that creat the issue,

rampage can be used after the detaun , something that choppa cannot do, also rampage make better both id and shatter limbs, it's spam able so when you face 2x slayer with shatter libms + id you have to pray in 24 languiages that your healer lucky cleanse every time Shatter limbs dot.


it's a classes that rotate and live on a 3 skill combo mostly.

[tomato]

If you nerf slayer you have to nerf mara. And if you nerf these two have fun with wp/dok lategame.
In terms of groupplay it's like mara>slayer>>>chopa>we/wh>>>wl. (T4)
But maybe you should stop theoriecraft t4 builds and look at t2 instead untill higher tiers are available.

Don't get all those chopas crying for buffs, in t2 anyways. Worst t2 mdps are wh/we by far, maybe first take a look at them.
So if you want t4 balance, look at wl and rdps in general, if you want t2 balance look at wh/we.

[darthvidu]

If you nerf slayer you have to nerf mara. And if you nerf these two have fun with wp/dok lategame.
In terms of groupplay it's like mara>slayer>>>chopa>we/wh>>>wl. (T4)
But maybe you should stop theoriecraft t4 builds and look at t2 instead untill higher tiers are available.

Don't get all those chopas crying for buffs, in t2 anyways. Worst t2 mdps are wh/we by far, maybe first take a look at them.
So if you want t4 balance, look at wl and rdps in general, if you want t2 balance look at wh/we.

I agree with everything here.

[Coryphaus]

Thiers nothing wrong WE/WH both classes are fairly equal to each other and just need to wait till they get more mastery points

The Hdebuffs were added as a matter of necessity to break the healer meta

No choppa player here in this thread asked for buff to choppa in t2, only that the wild gambit mirror tactic be given to choppas at 15 instead of 33

[xaphiero]

Salyers are superiro to choppas in every way and were the second best mdps back on live but only because mara was op and had a lot of bugs.

At every stage of the game slayers are stronger and have better skill trees and skills (slayer 3s kd vs chops 2s kd)

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong and explain how choppas and slayers are on equal footing

Really? WOW that's a *substantial* argument. I'm like so totally convinced y'all. I'm just all re-rolling to Order nowz.

I guffaw.

[RyanMakara]

Salyers are superiro to choppas in every way and were the second best mdps back on live but only because mara was op and had a lot of bugs.

At every stage of the game slayers are stronger and have better skill trees and skills (slayer 3s kd vs chops 2s kd)

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong and explain how choppas and slayers are on equal footing

Really? WOW that's a *substantial* argument. I'm like so totally convinced y'all. I'm just all re-rolling to Order nowz.

I guffaw.

Chill. He's already elaborated in a more logical fashion, no need to stay venomous because of what other people expect from you.

[RyanMakara]

If you nerf slayer you have to nerf mara. And if you nerf these two have fun with wp/dok lategame.
In terms of groupplay it's like mara>slayer>>>chopa>we/wh>>>wl. (T4)
But maybe you should stop theoriecraft t4 builds and look at t2 instead untill higher tiers are available.

Don't get all those chopas crying for buffs, in t2 anyways. Worst t2 mdps are wh/we by far, maybe first take a look at them.
So if you want t4 balance, look at wl and rdps in general, if you want t2 balance look at wh/we.

Choppa don't need buff, it simply needs to have the same chances as Slayer

[Penril]

Choppa doesnt need a buff.

Slayers need a nerf, though. And Maras as well.

[RyanMakara]

Choppa doesnt need a buff.

Slayers need a nerf, though. And Maras as well.

Well if we keep this trend going, White Lions may come out on top-
Naaaaaaaawh that ain't never gonna happen xD
Although those 45k crits in SCs are pretty damn painful atm..