Scenarios- pre mades being douchebags

[Scottx125]

I agree with op. Pug vs premade is boring for both sides. In pug you get curbstomped and have to sit in wc for 10 min, in premade you get no challenge and camp wc for 10 min. Is there no way that "premades only vs premades" system could be implemented?

"i dont want to cooperate and organize a group, so punish those who even dares to"
I have a better idea for you. How about they make 2 separate RvR lakes for each zone, one for premade Warbands and one for pugs?

There's a difference joining a WB is easy as pressing a button, finding a premade that actually wants you takes at least 5-20 mins. Plus "How dare pubs want a balanced encounter, they should be punished for wanting to play with random people rather than pre-mades". Your argument is baseless as in pubs vs pubs you do cooperate with your teammates because you try to win, difference is there is general communication between randoms and then premades that just wreck pubs. Not saying either side should be punished, but there should be a solution to stop premades stomping pubbies. You know.. I understand people wanting premades and organised 6v6 combat, so have your own scenario where you can 6v6 in premades to your hearts content. Or improve the match making to only allow premades in the scenario tab to fight premades, and allow groups smaller than 2 to fight with pubbies.

[Ninepaces]

I agree with op. Pug vs premade is boring for both sides. In pug you get curbstomped and have to sit in wc for 10 min, in premade you get no challenge and camp wc for 10 min. Is there no way that "premades only vs premades" system could be implemented?

"i dont want to cooperate and organize a group, so punish those who even dares to"
I have a better idea for you. How about they make 2 separate RvR lakes for each zone, one for premade Warbands and one for pugs?

What Scrilian said. It can be done with a bit of coding... lets make elf for just the premade WBs and the other 2 zones for small groups.

[peterthepan3]

I agree with op. Pug vs premade is boring for both sides. In pug you get curbstomped and have to sit in wc for 10 min, in premade you get no challenge and camp wc for 10 min. Is there no way that "premades only vs premades" system could be implemented?

"i dont want to cooperate and organize a group, so punish those who even dares to"
I have a better idea for you. How about they make 2 separate RvR lakes for each zone, one for premade Warbands and one for pugs?

There's a difference joining a WB is easy as pressing a button, finding a premade that actually wants you takes at least 5-20 mins. Plus "How dare pubs want a balanced encounter, they should be punished for wanting to play with random people rather than pre-mades". Your argument is baseless as in pubs vs pubs you do cooperate with your teammates because you try to win, difference is there is general communication between randoms and then premades that just wreck pubs. Not saying either side should be punished, but there should be a solution to stop premades stomping pubbies. You know.. I understand people wanting premades and organised 6v6 combat, so have your own scenario where you can 6v6 in premades to your hearts content. Or improve the match making to only allow premades in the scenario tab to fight premades, and allow groups smaller than 2 to fight with pubbies.

Or - and I really can't stress this enough - you could gather a group of friends/people and make a group yourself?

I reiterate: if you want relatively easy PvP (at least ,most of the time) join a warband and just latch on. Scenarios are intended to be more competitive, mixing PvP with CTF-style mechanics. If you can't be bothered to find some people to play with in a GROUP-ORIENTATED game, that's your prerogative!

[vove]

As I said the premades as they are right now are not a problem. In this particular case they were extremely douche because they didn't cap the points on purpose. They didn't play to win, they played to make others' game miserable. That's not cool. If your team is superior just win and go another game, don't waste others' time.

As for premades vs pugs it's a different topic. Pugs lose to premades because they DON'T WANT TO play as a team and they fail in general because of simple stuff like:
- focus on wrong enemy
- no focus, spreading dps between multiple targets
- not listening to what others say

You can easily overcome a premade while playing in a pug but people have to think. If you join a game where during first team vs team clash all of your party goes after different tank you might leave that sc as well. Focusing tanks is the reason to fail a match in 90% of the cases.

[Scrilian]

I agree with op. Pug vs premade is boring for both sides. In pug you get curbstomped and have to sit in wc for 10 min, in premade you get no challenge and camp wc for 10 min. Is there no way that "premades only vs premades" system could be implemented?

"i dont want to cooperate and organize a group, so punish those who even dares to"
I have a better idea for you. How about they make 2 separate RvR lakes for each zone, one for premade Warbands and one for pugs?

What Scrilian said. It can be done with a bit of coding... lets make elf for just the premade WBs and the other 2 zones for small groups.

Dear god, please, no

[Ninepaces]

As for premades vs pugs it's a different topic. Pugs lose to premades because they DON'T WANT TO play as a team and they fail in general because of simple stuff like:
- focus on wrong enemy
- no focus, spreading dps between multiple targets
- not listening to what others say

In other words, they need to actually play the game not just spam areas.

[Scottx125]

Or - and I really can't stress this enough - you could gather a group of friends/people and make a group yourself?

I reiterate: if you want relatively easy PvP (at least ,most of the time) join a warband and just latch on. Scenarios are intended to be more competitive, mixing PvP with CTF-style mechanics. If you can't be bothered to find some people to play with in a GROUP-ORIENTATED game, that's your prerogative!

I don't want to, why should I have to make a group just to have fun? In fact I find that scenarios with pubs vs pubs is more fun than pre-made groups, that's my personal opinion. And no, if scenarios drop scenario specific items such as scenario medallions, then they need to be accessible to everyone otherwise you are punishing people for how they play. And this is not a "Group-oriented game" its an MMO which has a heavy emphasis on PVP, now wanting to play with your friends is fine in a group playing in a scenario, but pubs were here first before this pre-made crap became compulsory to even play scenarios with any hope of winning. And if you really want competitive play, fine. Pre-mades can only fight pre-mades, that competitive enough for you? And the rest of us "pubbies" will enjoy scenarios with no pre-mades to ruin our day. I rest my case.

Scenarios were intended for quick PVP matches everyone can get involved with, just because it is smaller in scale has no bearing on if it is competitive or not, in fact it has the same competitiveness level as ORVR as the only thing worth fighting for is XP, RVR XP and medals, if you win you get more, lose you get less. If it was truly more competitive there would be a scoreboard noting which pre-mades were the best or which group won a scenario fastest, but there isnt. Which shows whilst it can go to 6v6, it is not all about pre-made groups and certainly does not record anything you do in pre-mades, the only reason why people do it is to kill people easier and win more often, now whilst this isnt too bad when there are only a few, when you are constantly running into pre-made groups and losing every match, the game no longer becomes fun, then you either play how you dont want to play, or stop playing all together.

My solution is fair to everyone, pre-mades fight pre-mades and pubbies fight pubbies. That will give you the "competitiveness" you want and will allow pubbies to enjoy themselves, to state that this is bad means you just enjoy farming pubbies, in which even Azarael said it was unsportsmanlike of pre-mades to farm pubbies because as the OP said, its just being a douchebag.

[Reesh]

Or - and I really can't stress this enough - you could gather a group of friends/people and make a group yourself?

I reiterate: if you want relatively easy PvP (at least ,most of the time) join a warband and just latch on. Scenarios are intended to be more competitive, mixing PvP with CTF-style mechanics. If you can't be bothered to find some people to play with in a GROUP-ORIENTATED game, that's your prerogative!

My solution is fair to everyone, pre-mades fight pre-mades and pubbies fight pubbies. That will give you the "competitiveness" you want and will allow pubbies to enjoy themselves, to state that this is bad means you just enjoy farming pubbies, in which even Azarael said it was unsportsmanlike of pre-mades to farm pubbies because as the OP said, its just being a douchebag.

/agreed.

[Aquilon]

Spoiler:

I don't want to, why should I have to make a group just to have fun? In fact I find that scenarios with pubs vs pubs is more fun than pre-made groups, that's my personal opinion. And no, if scenarios drop scenario specific items such as scenario medallions, then they need to be accessible to everyone otherwise you are punishing people for how they play. And this is not a "Group-oriented game" its an MMO which has a heavy emphasis on PVP, now wanting to play with your friends is fine in a group playing in a scenario, but pubs were here first before this pre-made crap became compulsory to even play scenarios with any hope of winning. And if you really want competitive play, fine. Pre-mades can only fight pre-mades, that competitive enough for you? And the rest of us "pubbies" will enjoy scenarios with no pre-mades to ruin our day. I rest my case.

Scenarios were intended for quick PVP matches everyone can get involved with, just because it is smaller in scale has no bearing on if it is competitive or not, in fact it has the same competitiveness level as ORVR as the only thing worth fighting for is XP, RVR XP and medals, if you win you get more, lose you get less. If it was truly more competitive there would be a scoreboard noting which pre-mades were the best or which group won a scenario fastest, but there isnt. Which shows whilst it can go to 6v6, it is not all about pre-made groups and certainly does not record anything you do in pre-mades, the only reason why people do it is to kill people easier and win more often, now whilst this isnt too bad when there are only a few, when you are constantly running into pre-made groups and losing every match, the game no longer becomes fun, then you either play how you dont want to play, or stop playing all together.

My solution is fair to everyone, pre-mades fight pre-mades and pubbies fight pubbies. That will give you the "competitiveness" you want and will allow pubbies to enjoy themselves, to state that this is bad means you just enjoy farming pubbies, in which even Azarael said it was unsportsmanlike of pre-mades to farm pubbies because as the OP said, its just being a douchebag.

Nailed it! That's pretty much it.

[Epo]

Spoiler:

I don't want to, why should I have to make a group just to have fun? In fact I find that scenarios with pubs vs pubs is more fun than pre-made groups, that's my personal opinion. And no, if scenarios drop scenario specific items such as scenario medallions, then they need to be accessible to everyone otherwise you are punishing people for how they play. And this is not a "Group-oriented game" its an MMO which has a heavy emphasis on PVP, now wanting to play with your friends is fine in a group playing in a scenario, but pubs were here first before this pre-made crap became compulsory to even play scenarios with any hope of winning. And if you really want competitive play, fine. Pre-mades can only fight pre-mades, that competitive enough for you? And the rest of us "pubbies" will enjoy scenarios with no pre-mades to ruin our day. I rest my case.

Scenarios were intended for quick PVP matches everyone can get involved with, just because it is smaller in scale has no bearing on if it is competitive or not, in fact it has the same competitiveness level as ORVR as the only thing worth fighting for is XP, RVR XP and medals, if you win you get more, lose you get less. If it was truly more competitive there would be a scoreboard noting which pre-mades were the best or which group won a scenario fastest, but there isnt. Which shows whilst it can go to 6v6, it is not all about pre-made groups and certainly does not record anything you do in pre-mades, the only reason why people do it is to kill people easier and win more often, now whilst this isnt too bad when there are only a few, when you are constantly running into pre-made groups and losing every match, the game no longer becomes fun, then you either play how you dont want to play, or stop playing all together.

My solution is fair to everyone, pre-mades fight pre-mades and pubbies fight pubbies. That will give you the "competitiveness" you want and will allow pubbies to enjoy themselves, to state that this is bad means you just enjoy farming pubbies, in which even Azarael said it was unsportsmanlike of pre-mades to farm pubbies because as the OP said, its just being a douchebag.