[Ironbreaker] The Crucible: Class discussion and guides

[TenTonHammer]

Why such a lack of love for Runic Shield ? Its cost is instantly replenished, its cooldown is very short and the absorbed damage is just fine (800something at lvl 35).

cuase sorcs can break it pretty fast, but it is a good ability.

Its just not a "core" 2h build ability like hdbuff, earth shatter, cave in
You can always go back and pick it up

[Earthpac]

How come no one seems to take Grudge-born Fury? Seems comparable to THC for Blorcs which they all take for DPS but no 2h IB's seem to pick it up.

[TenTonHammer]

How come no one seems to take Grudge-born Fury? Seems comparable to THC for Blorcs which they all take for DPS but no 2h IB's seem to pick it up.

Because firstly THC is a great "finisher" on BO's chain thats costs no AP, synergizes well with BO's initive stat steal for like 300% crit chance and on top of that they have 25% dmg inc tactic which makes up for the lack of AA attacks you lose with channeld attacks.

Gudge born furry isnt as important compared to the utility of oathbound or the sheer surviveability of grumble and mutter letteing you 1 v 2/3 people

[Earthpac]

Because firstly THC is a great "finisher" on BO's chain thats costs no AP, synergizes well with BO's initive stat steal for like 300% crit chance and on top of that they have 25% dmg inc tactic which makes up for the lack of AA attacks you lose with channeld attacks.

Gudge born furry isnt as important compared to the utility of oathbound or the sheer surviveability of grumble and mutter letteing you 1 v 2/3 people

So an initiative steal + the 20% crit chance from the tactic would actually give you more crit than the 45% crit bonus Grudge-born Fury has from your abilities / tactics?

I get that the ability does more damage in of itself for Blorcs due to crit bonus but it seems to fit into IB kit more as having Heavy Blow, Binding Grudge, Cave-In and Grudge-born fury all ticking down at once seems like it'd be good burst.

So if I was going for burstyness/damage over survivability would it be good to pick up?

Edit: also have a separate kinda question I want to add - I've heard buffstacking is weird in this game, what buffs don't stack with IB buffs and just to check, do ALL IB buffs stack with eachother?

[Luth]

Atm the increased critchance from "grudge born fury" doesn't stack with critbuffs from "ancestor's fury". I'm not sure how it was on the mythic server, as the additional critchance on GbF works only for it's own damage ticks and is no general buff.

[Njordin]

How come no one seems to take Grudge-born Fury? Seems comparable to THC for Blorcs which they all take for DPS but no 2h IB's seem to pick it up.

I played with grudge-born fury quite a lot. It does increase your overal damage dealing but it's nothing special, really. Not to mention that it takes 3 seconds to perform and our class has its hands full with so many other things.

So if I was going for burstyness/damage over survivability would it be good to pick up?

Obviously yes, but if you want to play the IB as a tank, even as a 2h tank, you still need to: switch guard, switch oath friend, buff the oath friend, challenge the enemies, debuff the enemies, aoe the enemies. With so many things to do, you'll find yourself using grudge-born fury too little, unless you are to play a tank as a mdps with high survivability.

[Vdova]

How come no one seems to take Grudge-born Fury? Seems comparable to THC for Blorcs which they all take for DPS but no 2h IB's seem to pick it up.

Because grudge born furry hits in range 250-350 ish crits. It is channeled so easily interuptable and at current level 35/40 You have more important skills/passives to spec for than grudge born furry.

[Earthpac]

Atm the increased critchance from "grudge born fury" doesn't stack with critbuffs from "ancestor's fury". I'm not sure how it was on the mythic server, as the additional critchance on GbF works only for it's own damage ticks and is no general buff.

Ok that's pretty shitty, does it stack with the 15% crit talent either then?

Is there any other IB stuff that doesn't stack btw? I see Ancestor's Fury and Inspiring Attack are both Strength buffs - do they stack?

[Earthpac]

Actually I just realised I have a few more questions about IB mechanics so I may as well pile them on here :p

Firstly, how accurate are the base damage amount on waronlinebuilder.org, and if they are accurate am I right in thinking Oathstone is does a tremendous amount of damage?

Does oathstone have an internal CD like Witchbrew does now and can it crit?

And last question I have - do all abilities scale in the same way with strength or do Path of Vengeance abilities have better scaling from being in the dps tree?

[Luth]

Atm the increased critchance from "grudge born fury" doesn't stack with critbuffs from "ancestor's fury". I'm not sure how it was on the mythic server, as the additional critchance on GbF works only for it's own damage ticks and is no general buff.

Ok that's pretty shitty, does it stack with the 15% crit talent either then?

Is there any other IB stuff that doesn't stack btw? I see Ancestor's Fury and Inspiring Attack are both Strength buffs - do they stack?

The 15% crit tactic stacks, as tactics always stack with buffs. The 2 strength buffs don't stack, only the strongest one is applied; buffs generally don't stack.