Destro Troll Comps.. err premades getting old?

[Luth]

Choppas debuffs are all curses, slayer has ailments.

[bloodi]

My mistake on the choppa. That makes zero sense to me why their HD would be a curse with the way the rest are all ailments

Debuff types are based on the class that uses them, not what kind of debuff they are.

[Luth]

On dok vs WP cleanse:
The disparity between the dok and the WP cleanse comes not from the classes themselves, but from the SH who has the same debuff type as the SW (ailment, should be hex for the SH) and the marauders massive debuff potential.

[Gobtar]

My mistake on the choppa. That makes zero sense to me why their HD would be a curse with the way the rest are all ailments

Seems arbitrary. Considering they have a double heal-debuff that can be cleansed by both WP and Rps, I would say Choppas really don't like AMs Dok's favour only serves to handicap zealots as idealy you still need one of each, where WP + RP are both durable and bring a tremendous amount of synergy.

The real winner versus WPs are WEs who have a double heal debuff that cannot be tagged by the cleanse and anyone they are on.

[Gobtar]

On dok vs WP cleanse:
The disparity between the dok and the WP cleanse comes not from the classes themselves, but from the SH who has the same debuff type as the SW (ailment, should be hex for the SH) and the marauders massive debuff potential.

Why not the other way around. Have the SWs be "curses"?

[Luth]

Because every healer can cleanse 8 classes, except the WP who can only cleanse 7 while the RP can cleanse 9.

Edit: With changing the SW debuffs you would create part of the "cleansing disparity" on the destruction side. That would be a nerf to the dok cleanse and a buff to the zealot.
But the dok cleanse is OP because of the group cleanse tactic, not because which classes he can cleanse imo.

[skutrug]

Well to return to the original post, what you faced was a classic bomb group - a little low on tanks and high on DOK, with a token greenskin as mascot I am guessing you never played on live during the "age of bombing" or you would be greatful RoR decided to use version 1.4.8 In any case this group makeup is very efficient even with poor communication. It is perfectly legitimate and can be implemented on both Realms with similar success. Your attempt to shame players out of this effective tactical setup has been tried before, with absolutly zero success. At this point, if you are really intended on trying to limit group composition in scenario, your best bet would be lobbying hard some members of the development team so it would be enforced by coding on the server.
You could try your luck with our beloved Azarael, but I must warn you that sometimes his responses do appear a little "grumpy"... although always highly entertaining for the rest of us.
I would personally recommend building your own bomb group: 2 knights, 2 WP, 2 BW x 2
But good luck with Azarael if you chose that route (/pull down blast goggles)
Skut

[Gobtar]

Because every healer can cleanse 8 classes, except the WP who can only cleanse 7 while the RP can cleanse 9.

Edit: With changing the SW debuffs you would create part of the "cleansing disparity" on the destruction side. That would be a nerf to the dok cleanse and a buff to the zealot.
But the dok cleanse is OP because of the group cleanse tactic, not because which classes he can cleanse imo.

The Dok's cleanse tacitc does the same thing as the WPs cleanse tactic, the value of the cleanse differs in it's power. Not all debuffs are as important to cleanse. This is apparent with Heal Debuffs/CD increasers/ huge Bomb Dots.

The zealot gets fairly short stick when it comes to cleansing compared to the WP and honestly I don't mind Zealots and RPs cleansing more than a WP/DoK due to the fact that their cleanse is single target. Shamans and AMs also get the short end because of inability to cleanse WoPs/BB.

Considering the strength of what a Dok can already cleanse, coupled with thier M2 means they are a no brainer choice for 1 if not both heal slots. I am also of the belief that the SH/SW heal debuff is too good as a spamable, but that is for another time methinks. In conclusion, I think moving SW to curses is a needed change compared to buffing WPs who have more heal potential due to tactics and synergies with knights.

[Scottx125]

Lol and when pubbies got told "Premade or tough" now premades are complaining about other premades... The reason you had it easy is most likely because you was fighting randoms, the difficulty increase was most likely when you encountered a premade.

[Tklees]

Because every healer can cleanse 8 classes, except the WP who can only cleanse 7 while the RP can cleanse 9.

Edit: With changing the SW debuffs you would create part of the "cleansing disparity" on the destruction side. That would be a nerf to the dok cleanse and a buff to the zealot.
But the dok cleanse is OP because of the group cleanse tactic, not because which classes he can cleanse imo.

Makes sense to me