Why do fans hate "The End Times"?

[Dreadspectre]

Wow..that's how it ends?

Wth was the point of Nagash coming back at all then and making all these awesome models if he ultimately ends up accomplishing nothing? Did he do anything?

AoS just sounds worse and worse everytime I read about it heh.

[Gobtar]

everything they could use in AoS comes back. So Nagash is a god in AoS.

[Hooley]

Well everyone, I really appreciate the insight and feedback. I think I finally have a better understanding to the negative perception that overshadows "The End Times" and more broadly, the current state Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar.

I personally believe that Total War: Warhammer is a very unique mystery. "The End Times" have been planned since the 8th edition army books (i.e. Wood Elves) which insinuates Games Workshop has been planning this over the course of the past few years, rather than in one fiscal quarter where they realized they need to make more money. If that's the case, I don't think it's coincidence that Games Workshop licensed Creative Assembly to make a turn-based strategy game in the Old Warhammer World when their focus could of been allocated on the new "Age of Sigmar" era and setting. That would make the most logical sense right? Games Workshop would want games developed revolving around the new product-line and miniatures from AoS. I think this is a HUGE miss that people are overlooking. Here's my theory...

1) "Age of Sigmar" is temporary. The way it was marketed suggests this is a temporary phase setting the stage for a relaunch of the beloved Warhammer Fantasy IP.

If "Age of Sigmar" was the true NEW product, GW wouldn't of licensed a triple AAA videogame company to make a video game set in the Old Warhammer World. It makes absolutely no sense from a business standpoint to support new products based off of old products. That would be like Disney making a ton of video games and toys based off the Star Wars prequels rather than Episode VII.

2) Total War: Warhammer is the platform to change the way the Warhammer World ends, especially to contrast "The End Times".

Creative Assembly has officially said two expansions will be added to the game, with the goal/intent to feature ALL of Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition factions in the Total War: Warhammer Trilogy. Perhaps, DLC for this new Trilogy will include a campaign set in "The End Times", just like the Total War Attila: Age of Charlemagne content.

3) From what I've read lore-wise in "Age of Sigmar", it is heavily insinuated that the Old World of Warhammer is in the process of being rebuilt identically by the Gods.

Maybe Games Workshop expected this progression of the story to divide their community, that's why the Total War: Warhammer game is the ultimate back-up plan. Well Hooley if they knew "The End Times" would divide their community, why would they proceed? I think money. There was a large number of fans that wanted to see the story progress and many players expressed negativity to how stagnant the world was. I think GW saw potential into tapping into these consumers wants. But it's not appeasement to the community, because this has all been planned within the past few years before the negative outrage. I think there is a high probability this has ALL been calculated and in the works for a long long time. This wasn't some impulsive decision GW made when they had a bad fiscal quarter or lost a lawsuit on copyright.

I think the Warhammer World as we know it, may still largely be intact. We just haven't seen it revealed. This may be like a progressive reboot in storytelling, like for example Star Wars: Episode VII. The story progresses, but there are many elements of the old world/setting inspiring the new.

There still may be hope lads. The End may just be The Beginning.

[Gobtar]

I like your theories but if that is the case, they really mishandled it. You had die-hard fans completely feel betrayed as they said there would no longer be Warhammer Fantasy. People like myself, who wish to stay planted in WFB went to older editions, after all if I am going to play a dead game, might as well play the edition I liked best (which in my case is 6th).

Both of these factors will make it unerringly difficult to draw fantasy players back to a new "9th" edition of the game. You also have GW cutting huge swaths of their miniature line, most likely the factions that would be impossible to Copyright (Tomb Kings) suggesting that returning to a "generic" fantasy realm might not be possible.

[TenTonHammer]

did azagh the slaughter exist at the same time as grimgor?

cause i saw a demo of O&G v bretonians from total warhammer and te general was azhag

[bloodi]

did azagh the slaughter exist at the same time as grimgor?

cause i saw a demo of O&G v bretonians from total warhammer and te general was azhag

I dont think so, however Azhag did invade brettonia while Grimgor was more of a stomping dwarves guy.

[Gobtar]

did azagh the slaughter exist at the same time as grimgor?

cause i saw a demo of O&G v bretonians from total warhammer and te general was azhag

Azhags WAAAGH! was a couple years befor Grimgors. Grimgor was around though.

I believe Total War will have the timeless element of Warhammer, in sense time passes and events happen but legendary heroes stay relevant until they are slain in battle. This is a known divergence from previous TW games where you would lose generals to old age.

This echoes the fact that in a really big miniature game I could field Grimgor and Gorbad Ironclaw, but neither were alive when the other was.

[bloodi]

I believe Total War will have the timeless element of Warhammer,.

And skull mountains, skull mountains for everyone.

[Dreadspectre]

I don't think TW:W is in any way an attempt to rebrand or reboot Warhammer, it's gone.

That deal was most likely made with the game developer years ago, those games take a while to make.

GW isn't going to tell them to stop making it or something though just because they decided to wipe out WHFB and make AoS. Who turns down money? Heh

[bloodi]

Its most likely the opposite, GW refused to license a game that would give you the same experience as the tabletop version but without spending hundreds upon hundreds on it.

The existance of Warhammer Total War actually is a sign that they abandoned the ip altogether and are moving on.