[Chosen] SnB Chosen vs SnB KoTBs

[roadkillrobin]

Challanges last about 1 seconds in large scale combat.

[bloodi]

Challanges last about 1 seconds in large scale combat.

So a skill that requires the target to attack you 3 times (as in, 3 gcds) is lasting 1 second?

Furthermore, you are making dps attack a tank to drop challenge or at least use subpar aoe.

Talk about a non issue.

[roadkillrobin]

Ok it last about 3 seconds....Annahillate, Inevteble Doom, Flurry etz
It's called AoEs.....or RVR.....
Subpar would be goin single target in RVR tbh....

[Toldavf]

Challanges last about 1 seconds in large scale combat.

Pretty much the same against slayers in small scale tbh.

[Tesq]

it's position dependand the further you spread the more enemy are focusing in one point make challenge last longer

ex: left/right wb flank.

now i exepct someone that gona post about the whole wb that gona turn 1x time left and 1 x time right just to remove challenge from 2 tank.

[roadkillrobin]

Nah. In WB vs WB their dps clear it so fast anyway. No need to make fancy formations just to keep up Challange. Its just to controll the initial burst. Tank 1 Challange first and then tank 2 about 3 seconds later. By that time moast relevant targets gonna have CS up on them.

[th3gatekeeper]

Its probably been mentioned here but a few quick thoughts on this subject seeing as how I have both chosen/knight classes both lvl 35, both with 5/5 duelist and on my knight full DEV as well. (Chosen is newer).

I would agree that CURRENTLY SnB Chosen < SnB Knight. However 2H Chosen > 2H Knight. I also would suggest that a SNB Chosen PLUS a 2H Chosen > SNB Knight PLUS a 2H Knight.

One thing to consider though, is that Chosen will get access to Destined come T4 which is a HUUUUUGE + for Chosen. The ability to essentially have M3 and M4 up every minute is massive.

I also think that in SOME regards a 2H chosen moots out a SNB Knight. Why? Crip Strikes + rending blade...

Think about this. if you have 100 damage, the Knight is buffing his party up to 20% crit right? Crits are (on average) about a 50% damage increase. Which means 100 ->150.

Then, however, chosen applies crip strikes which takes that 150 damage and reduces it by 25% down to 112.5... So the Knight, at BEST, is giving a 20% increased chance to deal an extra 12.5% damage.... When Crip strikes is up.

Another thing people dont fully get, is that the Encouraged Aim requires the target to be within 30 feet of the tank. So if an Order ranged DPS is nuking back line, chances are they wont get 10% of the 20% crit bonus. Not to mention the STR aura now becomes mandatory for a tank Knight....

meanwhile a tank Chosen can slot any auras - like toughness/resists/(damage on casters) auras if he wants.

Not just that, but in order to get 20% crit, it requires 2 tactic slots AND most likely they will run toughness for the 3rd since its really good. This prevents you (as a knight)from running super punt (atleast till T4), while a chosen can.... along with whatever else you desire!


You could ALSO try and go the "universal" route as a SNB chosen and spec into Crip Strikes and try and apply it with blast wave, but I think come T4 with destined and considering tactic slots, I would say they are arguably "CLOSE" however when you consider 2Chosen > 2 Knights it helps quite a bit... 2H knights shouldnt even exist they are just really crappy...

Not to mention the argument that trumps them ALL! Chosen look SO much better than the peacock Knights!

[roadkillrobin]

20% Crit isn't 50% dmg increase. 20% more crit is 20% chance to deal 50-150% more dmg. Wich averege around 100% dmg. So it's actually around 20% more dmg. 100 will increase to 120
CS reducing dmg by 25% means CS wins. but it also takes 2 tactic slot to cancel both tactics from Kotbs and you loose your sheild wich is more then 5% dmg to you. But less dmg to group. Asuming healers can keep you up

[th3gatekeeper]

20% Crit isn't 50% dmg increase. 20% more crit is 20% chance to deal 50-150% more dmg. Wich averege around 100% dmg. So it's actually around 20% more dmg. 100 will increase to 120
CS reducing dmg by 25% means CS wins. but it also takes 2 tactic slot to cancel both tactics from Kotbs and you loose your sheild wich is more then 5% dmg to you. But less dmg to group. Asuming healers can keep you up

Knight loses 2 tactics to slot 20% crit. Im not saying a 2H tank beats a SNB tank. ALl I am saying is I have seen a TON of groups with multiple Chosen, and if 1 is 2H and 1 SNB it works REALLY well.

Also MOST classes only deal 50% more crit damage. BWs are an exception where they can deal much more, but again, the knight has to block AND the BW has to be attacking something within 30 feet of the Knight.

Most Knights that I have played with dont even run 20% crit, since they like to take Vigi and stack toughness high via aura.
Also, I havnt confirmed this, but I dont think Dirty Tricks refreshes itself....

Entire point being, I dont think Chosen (especially in T4) really falls far behind, if at all. Maybe currently @ T3 due to crit, which TBH Id rather play (and do play) a 2H Chosen spamming rending Blade, built tanky, than a Chosen. The synergy is crazy good and while its not more damage for us, its ALOT less damage for them....

[Sigimund]

20% Crit isn't 50% dmg increase. 20% more crit is 20% chance to deal 50-150% more dmg. Wich averege around 100% dmg. So it's actually around 20% more dmg. 100 will increase to 120
CS reducing dmg by 25% means CS wins. but it also takes 2 tactic slot to cancel both tactics from Kotbs and you loose your sheild wich is more then 5% dmg to you. But less dmg to group. Asuming healers can keep you up

Is it not 40-60%? So 100dps increases to 110dps, leaving aside effects that increase crit damage or proc on crits. This would not invalidate everything else you wrote.