GM's hate him! Community "troll" exposes abuse

[Azarael]

Alright I'll do quoting on one of the examples.

Azarael wrote:
Frankly, I'd love to see a Pounce mirror. How about turning GTTC into a rolling Pounce?
Euan wrote:
How about on the Marauder? You could throw it on monstrosity spec so its more viable.
Azarael wrote: Marauder needs buffs?

This not only shows your order bias once again, but it's something I would write and be considered **** post. The same argument could be made against the Warrior Priest you buffed that you didn't want mirrored on the DoK because it would be considered too broken and apparently that reflects on WP. Pounce on Monstro Marauder wouldn't make Marauder stronger, it would be a lesser build to Sav/Brut just like Melee WP is lesser build to Healing WP.

I'm not going to repeat the analyses posted by Bretin or any other person on the subject of Marauder (partly because I can't find them in Search) but the consensus of everyone except you and a few others is that Marauder is already an extremely powerful class in T4 and is the last class that would need any help. If me asking "Marauder needs buffs"? isn't a fair comment in light of that... oh wait. It is a perfectly fair comment, just like when I make it about KotBS when people bring up buffing their stagger or any other underperforming aspect they have.

Additionally, it's not Order bias, because I suggested giving a version of Pounce to Choppa. I didn't block the idea of Destruction having a version of it completely, I questioned your proposal (which was personally motivated) to give it to Marauder.

Since you brought up melee WP - you and I both know that healing WP and melee WP are so distinct in playstyle that they might as well be separate classes. The topics around melee WP have mentioned many times that any changes must have no effect on the Salvation build. I don't find that in any way comparable to the risks that would be inherent in giving Marauders a version of Pounce. As for DoK, melee DoK is already viable. Perhaps you should look past your Destruction bias some time.

If you'd like to address any aspect of the post I made in reply to you, now would be the time, because as I told you in the last thread, in accepting my invitation to make this thread, you were supposed to provide a true smoking gun - something very destructive to the staff, which would cause us to have to adapt immediately, and which would justify the continued attitude you've displayed even after our transparency initiative began. If all you've got is nitpicking over forum posts that only you see a problem with, then you've failed that test. This topic is not an excuse to start railing off on what you think is Order bias, because with you, we'll be here all night.

[noisestorm]

(Not so) Dear Euan,

Context is an important tool. People that are entitled, think they're better than everyone else and believe that they deserve something for simply being here, while they deserve in fact nothing and should rather be grateful, do in my eyes really just need some reminder:

Spoiler:

In fact I have been warned for writing that I see a lot of people as entitled pricks, just so you know. And while I still disagree with this warning on my account (for obviously just telling the truth) it is how it is and i have to deal with it(the warning and the fact that i stated). You on the other hand are just ... I dont even know how to describe the form of delusion you suffer from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Morf]

I dont get the point of this thread, we all know the devs/gm's and whoever is in the background working on this project are not paid to do so and we dont pay to play so if by any chance they are unfair, biased, rude or whatever then you just have to deal with it.
Im sure they do not want to come across as rude or whatever but they are human and any time they spend here they do for the sake of others.
Imagine you were a dev or gm and anytime you decided to play you were pestered by ppl about nonsense and when trying to enforce the rules ingame you have to deal with ppl acting childish and trying to push there luck at every opportunity, im sure you would think differently if u considered the bs they have to deal with.
Questioning them doesnt help and if i were a dev it would push me further away from the project, i think some of you players need to stop acting like idiots and being so sensitive.

[Azarael]

Just to point something general out.

A few people in the topic have mentioned that since this is a free to play project, the players should deal with the whims of the staff, should such whims exist.

I don't agree with this, and I don't think it helps to use this as an argument against Euan. This staff WANTS to be fair, reasonable and just - not only because that is the right way to be in general, but because our relationship with the playerbase depends on us being seen to be so. This is why this topic and others like it aren't locked / deleted when they appear.

The only issue comes when the criticism of the staff itself is unjustified, baseless or otherwise unfair. I'm here in this topic and others like it to defend the staff from any unfair allegations, to maintain player confidence in the staff, and to acknowledge justified criticism as well as setting out a path for its resolution. Anyone seeking to issue unfair criticism should understand that I don't need to convince THEM that they're wrong - I only need to be sure that our particular stance is justified or that our own misconduct is acknowledged and steps taken to rectify it. In other words, I only need to maintain the confidence of the playerbase in general. So unless something really good is going to be brought out in this thread, I will have no further reason to reply, as the general attitude in this thread does not seem to be in support of the OP.

[Euan]

I just showed you how you would ban me over something you and noisestorm do/have done. He even did it in this thread but he's your friend so its not shitposting, right? How Github would call the whole server retarded (no proof) I can understand this one but I have no reason to lie, I actually like github. How noisestorm calls me a dipshit and everyone **** stupid. Nice of you to skip that even though that's here in the forums. How none of you gave me an explanation of why I was banned or the proof provided which is something you guys ask for but fail to provide.

Yes, Azarael I'm totally lying about not reading something you said "I already warned you about". Again, I asked you for proof of that and you turn this on me and call me a liar. You never gave me any warning, before or after this supposed ban. Which is why you cannot provide the proof when asked. I'm going to just assume out of the blue that you have no proof, OK.

Yes, skip over the balance stuff when you're clearly seen lying. Obviously you cannot address something that would paint you in an order biased picture. Which is something you want to ban me for. Banning me for something that's in your sig, not abusing your power at all.

As far as self motiviating on Maruader buff, please. Was it also self motivating when I asked you to mirror WP buff to the DoK? If you look at each of my characters played you will find marauder is not my most played and never was aside from the start. I don't think I've ever asked for Marauder buffs, ever, aside from suggesting pounce on Monstrosity which is a buff to monstro, not Sav/Brut which is THE build people complain about. If you look at my accounts you will see I play almost everything. PS Knight stagger is not underperforming in the least. Nice try.

Point being you're above the rules. You're banning me for calling you out on it. Totally not abusing your power.

[bloodi]

This is why this topic and others like it aren't locked / deleted when they appear.

Well, if we are going for staff criticisms, i will say that that topics are locked way too fast around here sometimes and some gms like to play the "post it on the forums" card then lock it before any conversation can happen in them.

Most of the time occurs when a GM has to make a judgement fast and most people disagree with it, the only way to talk about it is a thread that gets locked asap and then we get told to take it to some gm, we are the ones who have to jump through hops and wait for people to "look it up". Most of the time that means no one is going to bother doing so.

An example of it: http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... =8&t=11900

Trying to not make the forums a whine fest is fine, making the appeal process similar to the bureocracy building in Asterix and the 13 tests is not.

Also a lot of the decisions seem to be up to whoever is active at the time and their view upon it, instances like people getting kicked out of the server for killing people outside Orvr zones come to mind, something really odd if you come from a PvP server in Retail or the strange afk policy where the rules seem to be that you can automate your gameplay as long as you can also automate your replies.

But this is not something really good anyway, just things that annoy me a bit.

[Euan]

(Not so) Dear Euan,

Context is an important tool. People that are entitled, think they're better than everyone else and believe that they deserve something for simply being here, while they deserve in fact nothing and should rather be grateful, do in my eyes really just need some reminder:

Spoiler:

In fact I have been warned for writing that I see a lot of people as entitled pricks, just so you know. And while I still disagree with this warning on my account (for obviously just telling the truth) it is how it is and i have to deal with it(the warning and the fact that i stated). You on the other hand are just ... I dont even know how to describe the form of delusion you suffer from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Imagine if I were to post that same picture directed at one of the staff, telling them to stfu take the hint punk, what do you think would happen? Lol, yeah.

[Renork]

Just to point something general out.

A few people in the topic have mentioned that since this is a free to play project, the players should deal with the whims of the staff, should such whims exist.

I don't agree with this, and I don't think it helps to use this as an argument against Euan. This staff WANTS to be fair, reasonable and just - not only because that is the right way to be in general, but because our relationship with the playerbase depends on us being seen to be so. This is why this topic and others like it aren't locked / deleted when they appear.

The only issue comes when the criticism of the staff itself is unjustified, baseless or otherwise unfair. I'm here in this topic and others like it to defend the staff from any unfair allegations, to maintain player confidence in the staff, and to acknowledge justified criticism as well as setting out a path for its resolution. Anyone seeking to issue unfair criticism should understand that I don't need to convince THEM that they're wrong - I only need to be sure that our particular stance is justified or that our own misconduct is acknowledged and steps taken to rectify it. In other words, I only need to maintain the confidence of the playerbase in general. So unless something really good is going to be brought out in this thread, I will have no further reason to reply, as the general attitude in this thread does not seem to be in support of the OP.

You're right, in an ideal world the staff should behave perfectly and not make any mistakes. The problem is, we are all human here and have our likes and dislikes, and thus bias is created (which is natural). You work on this project literally non-stop and I can understand why you have a short temper sometimes. However, it can also be said you are a fair and pleasant person who takes criticism better than most people that I met. Coming to a forum to complain about moderator actions is not the way to go. If there is a moderator that abuses power, well you will eventually notice the population drop and take appropriate action.

The reason I bring up real-life situations is because in a true "work" and "professional" environment you can't do things like this and expect others to listen to you. Euan is making himself look bad by creating a thread like this. There ARE other ways to handle situations like this. I also lose my temper with stupid things too so I'm not saying Euan is awful, but this thread was completely unnecessary.

[mindmelt]

I received a two week ban for a GM's alt telling me to "**** off asshole" - Transparency would be awesome of course but come on this is 2016 the age of secrecy and deceit these admins and gm are all power hungry like the rest of us its human nature now.

Nice read btw ;p

[bloodi]

Imagine if I were to post that same picture directed at one of the staff, telling them to stfu take the hint punk, what do you think would happen? Lol, yeah.

I told you already but here it goes again, the only time i was banned, was because i called you an idiot.

http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... &start=120

So its not only the staff that is protected, idiots like you also are. Everyone is.