To Order Tanks

[NSKaneda]

Taunt is dps ! IF tanks weren't designed for dps then why do they have taunt ability and option for two handed weapon?

Taunt is interrupting spells/skills, and designed to hold aggro in PvE.

It also enhances dmg on target and lowers target's dmg on other teammates. It's one of the most useful tank skills in game

2H tanks were a part of deep enemy heal raid parties (usually 2H BG or Chosen), helping mdps to get there quickly while s'n'b holds enemy tanks and mdps in check

[Soulcheg]

No way!

[f13x]

2H tanks were a part of deep enemy heal raid parties (usually 2H BG or Chosen), helping mdps to get there quickly while s'n'b holds enemy tanks and mdps in check

That's the way Destro win all their sc... Off Tanks and Def tanks working together to push order lines than MDPS coming to kill yummy healer with detaunt on CD.

[shaggyboomboom]

2H tanks were a part of deep enemy heal raid parties (usually 2H BG or Chosen), helping mdps to get there quickly while s'n'b holds enemy tanks and mdps in check

Don't see how 2H Chosen (Crippling Strikes) are good against healers? It's more likely that a 2H Chosen would be debuffing the DMG of MDPS and RDPS...

[NSKaneda]

Don't see how 2H Chosen (Crippling Strikes) are good against healers? It's more likely that a 2H Chosen would be debuffing the DMG of MDPS and RDPS...

Spirit debuff. AP debuff. CC. Wound debuff. The list goes on and on

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(key word: support. You don't have to kill them on tank, just make them STOP healing to help your front lines and DPSers Although 2H can dish out some serious dmg)

[anarchypark]

Before you talk about tanks you have to play one first ?
If tanks are not guarding the proper class it might be healers not properly supporting tanks to effectively guard .
Its about proper team play not pointing the figure of blame solely at tanks .
Taunt is dps ! IF tanks weren't designed for dps then why do they have taunt ability and option for two handed weapon?

it's option to be dps. if they choose to be dps then it's dps
dps tank is not a tank
like dps healer is a dps, not a healer
can you imagine dps healer insisting he is a healer? what would you say to him?
same goes for dps tank
debatable? maybe
but let's focus on tanks job : soaking damage
if you are a dps tank, my advice is not for you

discarding dps tank, Order have very small number of tanks
and it seems a lot of them don't do guard job
my main is rr50 tank in order and it's hard to pick more than 10 tanks names
who run for focused target to switch gaurd
i'm sure there are more. and hope there will be more

[spamqm]

I guess the main problem of all tanks is "numbers".

I mean the following, imagine the usual scenario, you play via the dps and you can be proud of your damaging "numbers". If you play via the healer you can see numbers related to healers. But what can see the tank? He can see low numbers for everything. So that's why this class is not attractive to munchkins . BTW sorry for my english :^(.

[NSKaneda]

It all boils down to your objectives. When I play a dps then my role is to kill casters, turn off healz and keep an eye on my healers while buffing team. Healer - easy, heal group, buff, debuff and signal troops with shiny effects. I fail as a heal if any of my teammates die. Tank? Guard, taunt, buff, debuff, break or hold the line, assist mdps (CQ casters count as mdps in my book ) and fail miserably if anyone of my group dies...

[7rere7]

Before you talk about tanks you have to play one first ?
If tanks are not guarding the proper class it might be healers not properly supporting tanks to effectively guard .
Its about proper team play not pointing the figure of blame solely at tanks .
Taunt is dps ! IF tanks weren't designed for dps then why do they have taunt ability and option for two handed weapon?

it's option to be dps. if they choose to be dps then it's dps
dps tank is not a tank
like dps healer is a dps, not a healer
can you imagine dps healer insisting he is a healer? what would you say to him?
same goes for dps tank
debatable? maybe
but let's focus on tanks job : soaking damage
if you are a dps tank, my advice is not for you

discarding dps tank, Order have very small number of tanks
and it seems a lot of them don't do guard job
my main is rr50 tank in order and it's hard to pick more than 10 tanks names
who run for focused target to switch gaurd
i'm sure there are more. and hope there will be more

There is two sides of a tank ,"paly style and design style" ,either one can be objective to personal opinion of what a tank is. Only "play style" determines rightful criticism by outside players if a "tank is a tank".
I agree :Order needs to properly guard the right target,(besides slayer unless its organized group).
I shake my head when tanks guard a healer or range class ,(in most cases) when the tanks are supposed to be the pushers on the battle field and their way out of guard range.

AM/Shamans are now effective hybrid dps and healing with the recent changes to their class.
Likewise the WP/DOK is going to have its turn in that department.
Two handed tanks ,(Order having better two handed tanks) need such a change instead of being one dimensional ,(shield tank).
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[NSKaneda]

AM/Shamans are now effective hybrid dps and healing with the recent changes to their class.

Always were. I play old school mechanics as a proof of that