roadkillrobin wrote:Tamarlan wrote:Please enlight me as I fail to see the reason for those tears.
My Main was a WP until Aza announced his plans for melee healing. Deleted my WP after this announcement. Until this time and before the AM and Shaman love patch everyone run DOK / WP and it was common sense that they perform too good.
What exactly has changed since this time that some people claim that DOK is unplayable?
Proc nerfs was the thing that hit the DoK the moast. 1 ICD on procs means that Covenant of Vitallity can proc only 1 time of an AoE attack. While WP's Prayer of Devoation wasn't touched. From a healing perspective in warband this is ALOT of healing gone.
AoE detaunt forced both classes furter back as they can't take frontal dmg anymore. With AoE detaunt you could detaunt, run in and use lifetaps to get SE/RF back when you ran low on resources. Now you're forced to Suplication/Blood Offering wich is a channeled ability and you can't heal while channeling wich kills the rest of your group if they are under preasure. Even using stuff like Essence Lash is problematic coz it's a GCD not healing or reducing inc dmg. And since the group isn't getting the procs from Covenant of Vitallity while channeling Blood Offering or using Essence Lash it's even more problematic.
AoE cleanse. Same issue as with AoE detaunt. You can cleanse group but not yourself at the samee time, which means you take alot more dmg then you should while trying to recover SE/RF and this forces you longer away from the combat wich ressaults in SE/RF issues.
DoK also doesn't have anything close to the defensive tools in Sacrifice tree that WP have in Grace tree as the DoK Mastery is designed more around debuffs while WP Mastery is designed around buffs. Then we have stuff like Exalted Defences and gets healing bosts from Kotbs etz and when you combine all those stuff, WP was able to recover from the nerfs ok while DoK didn't at all.
You paint a bad picture but it is not that bad.
There is a reason a DoK / WP is the mainstay of WB healing. The fast group heal is vital for WB / AoE splash healing. It allows them to be much more mobile while things like RP / Zealot get stuck using hots / flash heals, or endanger themselves with long cast times on group heals. 2 WP can gheal and move much more effectively than RP or AM. The higher base armor also means, they don't need to stack as many armor tali's and can go for willpower, wounds, toughness, or even resists in their place, or overcap armor to be tanky.
Group cleanse while endangering the WP / DoK slight is a massive bonus to the group, and even with tactics no other cleansing from the other healers can compare. As a RP you can't burn 5 GCDS and the AP to cleanse all the dots off your group.
Now on the DoK / WP balance issues. There is no need to cherry pick. While WP has an edge in WB healing, they don't compare well in dps builds to DoK's, and if you are going to talk about things like the wounds buff. I don't need to tell you to remember it is directly countered by chosen / mara wounds debuffs, which your warband run constantly, which order don't have equal mirrors for. A lot of WP don't run it, or don't have the points to run it till higher RR, and destro wounds debuff are ever present, while order are much more limited and situational. Not a lot of WB's got room for 2h slayers, and 2h knights.
But order destro / balance circle jerks go no where. Grass is always greener and all that. We'll never agree on most of this stuff. That's clear by now.
WP / DoK are the backbone of AoE WB heals. They make and break groups, and it is very debate-able if double dok / wp is better than a mixed comp. Having 2 fast gheals, and 2 aoe cleanses can be massive for group survivability. There are still a lot of warbands that debate healer comp.
