WHY nerf Runefang???

[Bozzax]

Knight is the best tank in game (group play)

Aoe snare tactic (dest lost theirs)
+15% heals tactic (order only)
Auras
Best M3 in game
Best M4 in game
(Had best M2 as well)
super punt (tactic) and stagger
Crit buffs (tactic + ability) (stacking)

Having a 720 stat buff on proc as well as a 50% damage reduction ability for solo play is a bit over the top dont you think?

/end thread

[Ekundu01]

Knight is the best tank in game (group play)

Aoe snare tactic (dest lost theirs)
+15% heals tactic (order only)
Auras
Best M3 in game
Best M4 in game
(Had best M2 as well)
super punt (tactic) and stagger
Crit buffs (tactic + ability) (stacking)

Having a 720 stat buff on proc as well as a 50% damage reduction ability for solo play is a bit over the top dont you think?

/end thread

Back on live order was more group oriented skills/tactics for most classes and destro was more selfish based skills/tactics. Knight when it came was very group oriented and still is. Chosen outside of auras was mainly only getting tactics that helped the chosen only and no real group utility. Same thing with Dok vs WP. Dok was more about helping themselves and WP was more about helping the group. A lot of this has changed on this server but there are still some classes that over and under perform. Knight was never meant to do damage on live it was a group utility tank that did its job well and still does.

[Bozzax]

100% Bs ...(BG exception)

it was and still is a group game knight was and still is the best tank (any realm)

CS tactic was group oriented (now it is order only). DV tactic is group oriented, super punt tactic is group oriented, MD tactic was group oriented (good for guard), Ap aura ... etc. Claiming chosen was selfish is BS.

Order has always enjoyed better synergy (stronger group buffs). Even 1001 was mirrored to order after whine and bf that dok was equally group oriented as WP wo it (1001 + KW)

Dest has lost a lot of group util/syn over time
1001 mirrored to WP
CS removed and given to SM (?)
Zele on attack ritual nerf
Aoe snare on BO made lacklustre
Chop fasta made redundant by mirrorimg CD dec to BO
Sorc IW CD change
Etc

[Sofong]

Order really got used to being 1v1 god mode for too long.

[Jinxypie]

Runfang nerfed-check
Kotbs still best tank in game -check

[Ototo]

So, now all of a sudden this is about which realm was nerfed/buffed the most instead of which classes deserve the nerf/buff bat... interesting. Please tell me more about your underpowered BOs, WLs, Choppas, etc...

KotBS didn't deserve the nerf. Was not overperforming. Even if that was the case, which I repeat wasn't, there is no reason to make the tactic turn 180 and take out the extra parry it provided, which was the reason why it was a good tactic, cause it mirrored the Chosen parry buff.

Also was a double nerf, cause the tactic it replaces in the mastery tree is the most useless tactic in the entire tank archetype, period. If Focused Offense was bad cause of the debuff, imagine taking more damage from all sources. It's ridiculous specially compared with the subpar but still usable reduced healing that Chosen got, and I would gladly take it in KotBS cause at least would have one use for solo running, still being a terrible tactic, but with one more uses than the KotBS tactic has, period.

[Armoz]

I just love how people who play tanks think that they are a dps class! i mean are you guys serious ? There is a reason why Destro completely stomps Order in open field fights because they run a solid SnB tank front and just rush through Orders stupid 2hander tank blob! Order needs more SnB tanks, we need bunkers, not some "oh i want to do more dps" mentality lazy people who have no idea how to properly stand their ground and actually build solid tanks! Order lacks frontline, we have a massive rdps pool, not enough melee anymore because nobody is able to guard them properly! Stop trying to build your tank classes like they are suppose to be solid dps classes, THEY ARE NOT! so stop being delusional and pick up your damn shield and play a proper tank, we all know that "its soo boring and i can't get enough kills" but you're suppose to protect your team!

[Ototo]

I just love how people who play tanks think that they are a dps class! i mean are you guys serious ? There is a reason why Destro completely stomps Order in open field fights because they run a solid SnB tank front and just rush through Orders stupid 2hander tank blob! Order needs more SnB tanks, we need bunkers, not some "oh i want to do more dps" mentality lazy people who have no idea how to properly stand their ground and actually build solid tanks! Order lacks frontline, we have a massive rdps pool, not enough melee anymore because nobody is able to guard them properly! Stop trying to build your tank classes like they are suppose to be solid dps classes, THEY ARE NOT! so stop being delusional and pick up your damn shield and play a proper tank, we all know that "its soo boring and i can't get enough kills" but you're suppose to protect your team!

You obviously don't play order at the same time than me. I'm lucky if there are 4 tanks in the warband that I'm part of. The trouble here is raw numbers, and nerfing the KotBS just made the trouble worse.

Also, thanks for, you know, casually insult anyone that plays a tank in order, which I assure you that the vast majority are SnB, even most of SMs, while also casually insulting every tank player in the game that doesn't play like you exactly want them to. Look at those bastards! Enjoying the game! How dare they! This game is not to have fun, since when were games supposed to be for that? This game is for me to enjoy my class and everyone to support me, nothing more!

[Armoz]

I just love how people who play tanks think that they are a dps class! i mean are you guys serious ? There is a reason why Destro completely stomps Order in open field fights because they run a solid SnB tank front and just rush through Orders stupid 2hander tank blob! Order needs more SnB tanks, we need bunkers, not some "oh i want to do more dps" mentality lazy people who have no idea how to properly stand their ground and actually build solid tanks! Order lacks frontline, we have a massive rdps pool, not enough melee anymore because nobody is able to guard them properly! Stop trying to build your tank classes like they are suppose to be solid dps classes, THEY ARE NOT! so stop being delusional and pick up your damn shield and play a proper tank, we all know that "its soo boring and i can't get enough kills" but you're suppose to protect your team!

You obviously don't play order at the same time than me. I'm lucky if there are 4 tanks in the warband that I'm part of. The trouble here is raw numbers, and nerfing the KotBS just made the trouble worse.

Also, thanks for, you know, casually insult anyone that plays a tank in order, which I assure you that the vast majority are SnB, even most of SMs, while also casually insulting every tank player in the game that doesn't play like you exactly want them to. Look at those bastards! Enjoying the game! How dare they! This game is not to have fun, since when were games supposed to be for that? This game is for me to enjoy my class and everyone to support me, nothing more!

Dont get me wrong im not trying to insult anyone! But you are totally wrong about "majority" There are so many 2hander tanks during EU times and we lack a solid group composition, every group in a WB should be built the same way ranked SC! 2 tanks 2 heals and 2 dps, but we know that its not possible most of the time! i dont mind a good 2hander KotB who knows how to position himself so he can get his utilty down and help SnB get into their position! And you can have fun all you want, but us in RvR are sick of people whining about dying too quick or running away from fights! Good utility tanks are awesome but not when they pretend to be DPS!

[Ototo]

Spoiler:

I just love how people who play tanks think that they are a dps class! i mean are you guys serious ? There is a reason why Destro completely stomps Order in open field fights because they run a solid SnB tank front and just rush through Orders stupid 2hander tank blob! Order needs more SnB tanks, we need bunkers, not some "oh i want to do more dps" mentality lazy people who have no idea how to properly stand their ground and actually build solid tanks! Order lacks frontline, we have a massive rdps pool, not enough melee anymore because nobody is able to guard them properly! Stop trying to build your tank classes like they are suppose to be solid dps classes, THEY ARE NOT! so stop being delusional and pick up your damn shield and play a proper tank, we all know that "its soo boring and i can't get enough kills" but you're suppose to protect your team!

You obviously don't play order at the same time than me. I'm lucky if there are 4 tanks in the warband that I'm part of. The trouble here is raw numbers, and nerfing the KotBS just made the trouble worse.

Also, thanks for, you know, casually insult anyone that plays a tank in order, which I assure you that the vast majority are SnB, even most of SMs, while also casually insulting every tank player in the game that doesn't play like you exactly want them to. Look at those bastards! Enjoying the game! How dare they! This game is not to have fun, since when were games supposed to be for that? This game is for me to enjoy my class and everyone to support me, nothing more!

Dont get me wrong im not trying to insult anyone! But you are totally wrong about "majority" There are so many 2hander tanks during EU times and we lack a solid group composition, every group in a WB should be built the same way ranked SC! 2 tanks 2 heals and 2 dps, but we know that its not possible most of the time! i dont mind a good 2hander KotB who knows how to position himself so he can get his utilty down and help SnB get into their position! And you can have fun all you want, but us in RvR are sick of people whining about dying too quick or running away from fights! Good utility tanks are awesome but not when they pretend to be DPS!

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