Maruauder Pull

[Korhill]

Maras Pull is in a much better spot than the WLs Pull.

Alone the fact that you need a pet for it makes it a worse version. The Pathing is really horribel and the pet is very slow. And if you are about to catch a target the pet sometimes suddenly stops and runs back. If the Pull Fails and you order the pet back it mostly dotted/damaged and dies. In this Time the WL lost half of is Damage and most of his utlitiy.

If the Mara Pull Fails he can just keep going and do his stuff without a Penalty. I was even thinking to make a Suggestion to Change it to the Mara Pull and that it is not connected to the pet. In this case WLs who use the AOE Build (loner) can use it aswell.

[wachlarz]

Maras Pull is in a much better spot than the WLs Pull.

Alone the fact that you need a pet for it makes it a worse version. The Pathing is really horribel and the pet is very slow. And if you are about to catch a target the pet sometimes suddenly stops and runs back. If the Pull Fails and you order the pet back it mostly dotted/damaged and dies. In this Time the WL lost half of is Damage and most of his utlitiy.

If the Mara Pull Fails he can just keep going and do his stuff without a Penalty. I was even thinking to make a Suggestion to Change it to the Mara Pull and that it is not connected to the pet. In this case WLs who use the AOE Build (loner) can use it aswell.

When Mara pull, he must be in range he is doted/ damaged and/or dead. When dead he lose all utility and dmg. I think its bigger penelity then 10 sec summon next pet.

[Korhill]

Maras Pull is in a much better spot than the WLs Pull.

Alone the fact that you need a pet for it makes it a worse version. The Pathing is really horribel and the pet is very slow. And if you are about to catch a target the pet sometimes suddenly stops and runs back. If the Pull Fails and you order the pet back it mostly dotted/damaged and dies. In this Time the WL lost half of is Damage and most of his utlitiy.

If the Mara Pull Fails he can just keep going and do his stuff without a Penalty. I was even thinking to make a Suggestion to Change it to the Mara Pull and that it is not connected to the pet. In this case WLs who use the AOE Build (loner) can use it aswell.

When Mara pull, he must be in range he is doted/ damaged and/or dead. When dead he lose all utility and dmg. I think its bigger penelity then 10 sec summon next pet.

Not sure what are you trying to say. The WL can also get doted, damaged or die when he tries to pull (same distance). Both can use pots run back and get heals/cleanse. But if the WL survives he has also the Risk that his pet is dead and loose half of his Damage and Utility.

[StrongUn]

Maras Pull is in a much better spot than the WLs Pull.

Alone the fact that you need a pet for it makes it a worse version. The Pathing is really horribel and the pet is very slow. And if you are about to catch a target the pet sometimes suddenly stops and runs back. If the Pull Fails and you order the pet back it mostly dotted/damaged and dies. In this Time the WL lost half of is Damage and most of his utlitiy.

If the Mara Pull Fails he can just keep going and do his stuff without a Penalty. I was even thinking to make a Suggestion to Change it to the Mara Pull and that it is not connected to the pet. In this case WLs who use the AOE Build (loner) can use it aswell.

If the WL Pull Fails he can POUNCE, KD, BURST = + XXXX renown points
If the Mara Pull Fails he can... Oh wait...

[saupreusse]

Even if it takes the pet 2 seconds to arrive (2s being the cast of the Mara pull) the WL is still able to use abilities during this 2s window... A mara cannot do anything whilst casting, no swing timer, no melee abilities etc for those 2s.

Appreciate it's difficult for people to be rational, but just play both classes for a bit and it'll be obvious. WL pull is far superior outside of cities where WLs will typically go aoe spec and thus not be using a pet.

You could cast cc on the pet when you see it coming. I dont think being able to cast abilities in this 2s time frame is of any impact at all. In theory it allows you to cast exactly one more ability (gcd is 1.4sec) in between.

No impact, but you then go on to say it allows for an extra ability? Given a 1v1 may only involve 7-8 abilities, that's a huge benefit over the Mara pull.

You most likely won't cast any ability in this timeframe because your only ranged attack is axe toss. But if you really want to get your point across: yes, in theory wl can cast an axe toss while the lion charges its enemy for the fetch.

[nat3s]

You could cast cc on the pet when you see it coming. I dont think being able to cast abilities in this 2s time frame is of any impact at all. In theory it allows you to cast exactly one more ability (gcd is 1.4sec) in between.

No impact, but you then go on to say it allows for an extra ability? Given a 1v1 may only involve 7-8 abilities, that's a huge benefit over the Mara pull.

You most likely won't cast any ability in this timeframe because your only ranged attack is axe toss. But if you really want to get your point across: yes, in theory wl can cast an axe toss while the lion charges its enemy for the fetch.

You need to play WL more

[blechkautz]

No impact, but you then go on to say it allows for an extra ability? Given a 1v1 may only involve 7-8 abilities, that's a huge benefit over the Mara pull.

You most likely won't cast any ability in this timeframe because your only ranged attack is axe toss. But if you really want to get your point across: yes, in theory wl can cast an axe toss while the lion charges its enemy for the fetch.

You need to play WL more

His claim was, that one more ability doesn't make a big deal and you tried to debunk it with bringing 1v1 to the table. But then the question is, what should the WL hit, with that one "extra" ability compared to mara, when his pet is running to the enemy to fetch it? Since it's a 1v1 and the enemy is not near him (or he can't fetch) the only he can do is use ranged skills.

[rrrutsss]

You most likely won't cast any ability in this timeframe because your only ranged attack is axe toss. But if you really want to get your point across: yes, in theory wl can cast an axe toss while the lion charges its enemy for the fetch.

You need to play WL more

His claim was, that one more ability doesn't make a big deal and you tried to debunk it with bringing 1v1 to the table. But then the question is, what should the WL hit, with that one "extra" ability compared to mara, when his pet is running to the enemy to fetch it? Since it's a 1v1 and the enemy is not near him (or he can't fetch) the only he can do is use ranged skills.

You can use leonine frenzy/brutal pounce or change stances or use pots.

[Korhill]

Maras Pull is in a much better spot than the WLs Pull.

Alone the fact that you need a pet for it makes it a worse version. The Pathing is really horribel and the pet is very slow. And if you are about to catch a target the pet sometimes suddenly stops and runs back. If the Pull Fails and you order the pet back it mostly dotted/damaged and dies. In this Time the WL lost half of is Damage and most of his utlitiy.

If the Mara Pull Fails he can just keep going and do his stuff without a Penalty. I was even thinking to make a Suggestion to Change it to the Mara Pull and that it is not connected to the pet. In this case WLs who use the AOE Build (loner) can use it aswell.

If the WL Pull Fails he can POUNCE, KD, BURST = + XXXX renown points
If the Mara Pull Fails he can... Oh wait...

The Marauder hast BURST too. Other high Level Marauders has confirmed that too. The Problem ist that 80% of the Marauders i see in oRVR are in monstro stance (probably OP) and dont switch stances. They hardly can be killed by pysical Damage but they of Course dont do BURST in this stance but great AOE Damage. They even have a 100ft rKD against casters. A Marauder has also the Tools to catch enemies, especially when no order class has the Speed tactics. Imagine you have to catch classes with Speed tactis. It's incredible to see how many shamans are running around now. They are everywhere.

[saupreusse]

No impact, but you then go on to say it allows for an extra ability? Given a 1v1 may only involve 7-8 abilities, that's a huge benefit over the Mara pull.

You most likely won't cast any ability in this timeframe because your only ranged attack is axe toss. But if you really want to get your point across: yes, in theory wl can cast an axe toss while the lion charges its enemy for the fetch.

You need to play WL more

Rude :c