The Anti-Destro Patch and its Discontents

[emiliorv]

No nerfs are involved in this patch...they called "repairing mythic mistakes" => so please, stop calling it nerfs.

[Meliannia]

'The Anti-Order patch' forum thread almost 1 year ago got to 21 pages before the Gms got bored of it and locked it., 8 pages Order providing data and examples, 2 pages Order whining, 1 page fair destro players making sensible observations, 10 pages destro kids laughing at Order and saying 'git gud'

We are at 5 pages only at the moment, but the day is young. Let's see where this goes.

[teiloh]

No nerfs are involved in this patch...they called "repairing mythic mistakes" => so please, stop calling it nerfs.

Mythic didn't hand Destro a CD reducer on BOs, that was done on ROR by Torque, and probably shouldn't have been implemented.

[Bozzax]

It was implemented bc

R.i.P 240 weaponskill buff (11pt tactic used to stack with ST buff)
R.i.P 40% snare
R.I.P SnB ThC
10s CD bellow
NidF move to mid tree (core bf)

Lost most group util

(Gained CDR, 13pts mid (that no one use), an absorb and you wot meme)

So all in all 2h YOLO patches

[normanis]

Waiting for Elf/Dwarf racial tactics.
Waiting for for KoTBS group crit bonus'
Waiting for Focused Mending
Waiting for Staggering Impact(stacks with Pierce Defenses)
Waiting for multiple aoe interrupts
Waiting for Pet to perform Pull rather than rely on LoS/distance with obvious interruptable channel
Waiting for m1 pounce/snare
Waiting for Solar Flare
Waiting for BW/Sorc Bomb lvl normalization

And can go on a bit more... There isn't supposed to be perfect mirroring. The sides are balanced as a whole, not individually. That's why not all Pet class mirrors have a pet. Just cause one side has something doesn't mean it needs to be mirrored.

And ffs, can we stop asking for gobbo racial tactics to be mirrored? No racial tactics are mirrored. Some are better than others, maybe ask for your race's shitty tactic to be altered?

To be honest, if I was an order shill I would bitch about DoK m2 and WoI. Winds is pretty broken, and nearly everyone agrees RPs need something at 13pt. The rest is easily out weighed by a counter list.

Why can't we just balance things, instead of copy/paste from other classes?

Edit: Cause I forgot my actual point, normalizing things from one side or lessening one of their inherent advantages in the name of "because the other side doesn't have the same" isn't balance. It's wanting one side to be more powerful than it currently is. My personal litmus test, what about your realm/classes needs to be toned done/mirrored? It's easy to think you can see where you need to add or empower. But what about your class/realm is OP? If you can think that way, then it's less of "I want more shinies", and tends to be more honest. The difficult part, is knowing enough classes that you can think of all of them as "your class". So when you ask for a nerf or alteration there is no real bias. You just want the game to play better.

/rant

elf has early +10% heal
greenskins has better racials wounds/detount/speed ( u get wounds at 7 lvl)
+ 5crit on block ( bg has same as kobs tobe crit)
lol on pull trolling ( u need pet byt in wb u run loner)
mara has m1 snare, and msquig get 3 speed buffs (who else has 3 speed buffs on destro?)
u first need build solar flare than use it and train it at first.
sorc is fine just spaming infernal wave + rest aoe bombs
dok m2 is free cleanse
Why can't we just balance things, instead of copy/paste from other classes? - exatly take away from msquig shater limbs and pounce, take away ather ror buffed destro stuff. so we can play game as it was on mythic times. + from me.

[Dabbart]

Goblins don't get wounds. Orcs get wounds and crit damage. Goblins get speed proc and auto detaunt. Elves get reduced chance to be defended and CoT proc.

Knights have 2 crit tactics. Obviously you need to spec for solar flare.

WL has the same M1 root. Mara pull can be interrupted easily.

Back to how it was... Wow. Ok Rip engi/magus. Back to knight triple shatter. WP/DoK meta ahoy. Bring back the procs!

But thanks for proving my point. Time to lurk for another few months.

[teiloh]

Goblins don't get wounds. Orcs get wounds and crit damage. Goblins get speed proc and auto detaunt. Elves get reduced chance to be defended and CoT proc.

Knights have 2 crit tactics. Obviously you need to spec for solar flare.

WL has the same M1 root. Mara pull can be interrupted easily.

Back to how it was... Wow. Ok Rip engi/magus. Back to knight triple shatter. WP/DoK meta ahoy. Bring back the procs!

But thanks for proving my point. Time to lurk for another few months.

Mara pull if interrupted can just be cast again, it's not much of a penalty. WL pull is garbage.

[Kragg]

Git gud!

(Someone has to keep this tradition alive, and who better then a Dwarf? )