The new player experience in a nutshell

[Brew]

T1 is super fun, T1 and T2 scenarios are super fun and then there's T2 RvR where you're just worthless canon fodder because of an unreasonable high gear powercreep.

Don't worry most lvl 40s are useless cannon fodder WITH BiS gear, just focus on improving your gameplay or it won't matter what gear you have.

Wrong, gear matters a **** ton, regardless if you're good or bad lol.

Don't quote thing that you didn't read correctly. There are plenty of BiS players who might as well be fresh 40s because they spend all their time in pug WBs zerging around. They will get to rr 80 running supplies and wonder why they lose every SC and city instance they join because their only experience of winning is from having more numbers.

[kleinbuchstabe]

Guide for New Players in a nutshell

After T1, spend your time grinding XP by farming the PvE sets with PQs, first Mayhem Set, then Ruin Set. while you do that, que for SC until you hit 40.

Then do PvE Instances:
4x Gundbad: 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full Redeye set (some good Jewelry droping here )
4x City Instances: 1 hour per run. 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full sentinel set (+ very good Jewelry with Sentinel Set bonus) + weapons
4x Hunters Vale: 30min - 1 hour per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Vale Walker Set (+ another good jewlery with VW Set Bounus) + Cloak
4x Bastion Stair: 1,5 -2 hours per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Bloodlord Set (+ another good Jewelry. f.e. with life reg, or parry strike through) + weapons

After that, you are on the level of Invader PvP Set, wich is the last set before endgear Sets like Warlord or Sov. So even Dps or Offtanks are good geared at this point. For healers or Def tanks, Vale Walker Set could be allready good enough. The PvE Set jewlery can be worth it still in engear. Dont miss to combine the sets for min max your stats.

In total, you need (more or less):
Few days to finish T1.
1 Week to reach lvl 40 and farm the PQ Sets.
16 days to finish the Instances, if you do 1 run per day.

So, like i said more or less, after 1 Month, you are ready to play the game without the painfull lvl16-40 rvr situation, because you can skip it totally by spending the time with some PvE. Its really worth it and you will have more fun that way. And dont worry about the lack of renown, until lvl 60 it goes really fast. And you will get it more easy and with more fun, when you start farming it with good equipment

[georgehabadasher]

So, have fun for a few days in T1, then spend a month of your free time on boring PvE until you can try the game. That might be a bit of a tough sale, even at our competitive price point.

[Estufa]

Guide for New Players in a nutshell

After T1, spend your time grinding XP by farming the PvE sets with PQs, first Mayhem Set, then Ruin Set. while you do that, que for SC until you hit 40.

Then do PvE Instances:
4x Gundbad: 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full Redeye set (some good Jewelry droping here )
4x City Instances: 1 hour per run. 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full sentinel set (+ very good Jewelry with Sentinel Set bonus) + weapons
4x Hunters Vale: 30min - 1 hour per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Vale Walker Set (+ another good jewlery with VW Set Bounus) + Cloak
4x Bastion Stair: 1,5 -2 hours per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Bloodlord Set (+ another good Jewelry. f.e. with life reg, or parry strike through) + weapons

After that, you are on the level of Invader PvP Set, wich is the last set before endgear Sets like Warlord or Sov. So even Dps or Offtanks are good geared at this point. For healers or Def tanks, Vale Walker Set could be allready good enough. The PvE Set jewlery can be worth it still in engear. Dont miss to combine the sets for min max your stats.

In total, you need (more or less):
Few days to finish T1.
1 Week to reach lvl 40 and farm the PQ Sets.
16 days to finish the Instances, if you do 1 run per day.

So, like i said more or less, after 1 Month, you are ready to play the game without the painfull lvl16-40 rvr situation, because you can skip it totally by spending the time with some PvE. Its really worth it and you will have more fun that way. And dont worry about the lack of renown, until lvl 60 it goes really fast. And you will get it more easy and with more fun, when you start farming it with good equipment

Corrected guide for new players -

Play some t1 and scenarios until you get bored, maybe lvl to 39.

Hit 40 and log off to go play a pvp game that respects your time while laughing your a** off at the prospect of grinding for months to BIS out a single toon on a decades old game with a tiny community.

** I've been doing this on and off for years.

You can quite literally lvl every single class in retail wow to max and gear everyone out in bis gear + enchants before you could get bis gear on a single RoR toon. This 'progression' system is bad for pve games, for a 'pvp' mmo it's simply egregious. If your game can't keep players engaged on stint of the actual gameplay/pvp, you have some serious problems.

[Lyra2]

You can quite literally lvl every single class in retail wow to max and gear everyone out in bis gear + enchants before you could get bis gear on a single RoR toon. This 'progression' system is bad for pve games, for a 'pvp' mmo it's simply egregious. If your game can't keep players engaged on stint of the actual gameplay/pvp, you have some serious problems.

one month is enough to get bis in both games. you have some serious problems.

[Ragnaroek93]

Guide for New Players in a nutshell

After T1, spend your time grinding XP by farming the PvE sets with PQs, first Mayhem Set, then Ruin Set. while you do that, que for SC until you hit 40.

Then do PvE Instances:
4x Gundbad: 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full Redeye set (some good Jewelry droping here )
4x City Instances: 1 hour per run. 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full sentinel set (+ very good Jewelry with Sentinel Set bonus) + weapons
4x Hunters Vale: 30min - 1 hour per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Vale Walker Set (+ another good jewlery with VW Set Bounus) + Cloak
4x Bastion Stair: 1,5 -2 hours per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Bloodlord Set (+ another good Jewelry. f.e. with life reg, or parry strike through) + weapons

After that, you are on the level of Invader PvP Set, wich is the last set before endgear Sets like Warlord or Sov. So even Dps or Offtanks are good geared at this point. For healers or Def tanks, Vale Walker Set could be allready good enough. The PvE Set jewlery can be worth it still in engear. Dont miss to combine the sets for min max your stats.

In total, you need (more or less):
Few days to finish T1.
1 Week to reach lvl 40 and farm the PQ Sets.
16 days to finish the Instances, if you do 1 run per day.

So, like i said more or less, after 1 Month, you are ready to play the game without the painfull lvl16-40 rvr situation, because you can skip it totally by spending the time with some PvE. Its really worth it and you will have more fun that way. And dont worry about the lack of renown, until lvl 60 it goes really fast. And you will get it more easy and with more fun, when you start farming it with good equipment

Doing 16 dungeons is a lot, that's easily 30 hours if you also consider the time it takes to find a group (probably very hard outside of prime time) and that's generous and assumes that you have a 100% success rate which I heavily doubt when pugging. And I don't want to devalue the PvE content, there are lots of people who enjoy it but I do not and it's not the reason why I've picked up the game.

You can quite literally lvl every single class in retail wow to max and gear everyone out in bis gear + enchants before you could get bis gear on a single RoR toon. This 'progression' system is bad for pve games, for a 'pvp' mmo it's simply egregious. If your game can't keep players engaged on stint of the actual gameplay/pvp, you have some serious problems.

one month is enough to get bis in both games. you have some serious problems.

How do you get to rr80 in a month? And gearing in WoW is MUCH faster, it's not even in the same ballpark.

[Hazmy]

How do you get to rr80 in a month? And gearing in WoW is MUCH faster, it's not even in the same ballpark.

By playing a lot generally and participating in quality RvR activity, meaning joining guild warbands that are successful. I am mostly leading pug warbands and I am RR 64 in 6 days of overall playtime and also in full Bloodlord gear. If I joined Guild warbands I could be maybe 70 already

[saupreusse]

How do you get to rr80 in a month? And gearing in WoW is MUCH faster, it's not even in the same ballpark.

By playing a lot generally and participating in quality RvR activity, meaning joining guild warbands that are successful. I am mostly leading pug warbands and I am RR 64 in 6 days of overall playtime and also in full Bloodlord gear. If I joined Guild warbands I could be maybe 70 already

yeah but we are also chronically online... so probably not a good comparison

[Estufa]

Guide for New Players in a nutshell

After T1, spend your time grinding XP by farming the PvE sets with PQs, first Mayhem Set, then Ruin Set. while you do that, que for SC until you hit 40.

Then do PvE Instances:
4x Gundbad: 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full Redeye set (some good Jewelry droping here )
4x City Instances: 1 hour per run. 4 days lockout timer in total. = Full sentinel set (+ very good Jewelry with Sentinel Set bonus) + weapons
4x Hunters Vale: 30min - 1 hour per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Vale Walker Set (+ another good jewlery with VW Set Bounus) + Cloak
4x Bastion Stair: 1,5 -2 hours per run. 4 Days lockout timer in total. = Full Bloodlord Set (+ another good Jewelry. f.e. with life reg, or parry strike through) + weapons

After that, you are on the level of Invader PvP Set, wich is the last set before endgear Sets like Warlord or Sov. So even Dps or Offtanks are good geared at this point. For healers or Def tanks, Vale Walker Set could be allready good enough. The PvE Set jewlery can be worth it still in engear. Dont miss to combine the sets for min max your stats.

In total, you need (more or less):
Few days to finish T1.
1 Week to reach lvl 40 and farm the PQ Sets.
16 days to finish the Instances, if you do 1 run per day.

So, like i said more or less, after 1 Month, you are ready to play the game without the painfull lvl16-40 rvr situation, because you can skip it totally by spending the time with some PvE. Its really worth it and you will have more fun that way. And dont worry about the lack of renown, until lvl 60 it goes really fast. And you will get it more easy and with more fun, when you start farming it with good equipment

Doing 16 dungeons is a lot, that's easily 30 hours if you also consider the time it takes to find a group (probably very hard outside of prime time) and that's generous and assumes that you have a 100% success rate which I heavily doubt when pugging. And I don't want to devalue the PvE content, there are lots of people who enjoy it but I do not and it's not the reason why I've picked up the game.

You can quite literally lvl every single class in retail wow to max and gear everyone out in bis gear + enchants before you could get bis gear on a single RoR toon. This 'progression' system is bad for pve games, for a 'pvp' mmo it's simply egregious. If your game can't keep players engaged on stint of the actual gameplay/pvp, you have some serious problems.

one month is enough to get bis in both games. you have some serious problems.

How do you get to rr80 in a month? And gearing in WoW is MUCH faster, it's not even in the same ballpark.

Yeah retail wow 1-max lvl in 3 hours if you use guides. And at the start of a pvp season everyone has the same honor gear that takes less than a few hours to get + as little at 30 mins of upkeep for conquest gear. If you start late the catchup mechanics are still incredibly fast.

And with all that people still complain because of how overly complicated it can feel for new players. RoR is just on a level of egregious absurdity that is comical.

[Ragnaroek93]

Yeah retail wow 1-max lvl in 3 hours if you use guides. And at the start of a pvp season everyone has the same honor gear that takes less than a few hours to get + as little at 30 mins of upkeep for conquest gear. If you start late the catchup mechanics are still incredibly fast.

And with all that people still complain because of how overly complicated it can feel for new players. RoR is just on a level of egregious absurdity that is comical.

Retail WoW is beginner unfriendly because the classes are complicated and the combat is difficult (at high level arenas I've had 9 keybinds for targetting alone and another ~40 for my class and my class wasn't even the most complicated). Sadly Blizzard refuses to put much effort into it and therefore it kinda sucks (healer ranking still gets calculated differently from dps ranking in soloq and not in their favour and therefore there's a lack of people who want to heal and dps has to wait like 20-40 minutes for a lobby lol). They released soloq for rated battlegrounds however, haven't played them personally but have some friends who say that mode is much more beginner and casual friendly than arena, so maybe things are improving over there.

And I don't demand to gear as fast as in WoW, Retail WoW is a seasonal game with cosmetics rewards at this point, it's ok for this game to have some long term grinds and progression but for the love of god reduce the powercreep. 10-13 ilvl difference between conqueror and sov gear (with all the other sets being somewhere in between) would be totally fine. Right now it's almost 30 ilvl and that's, carefully speaking, absurd.

How do you get to rr80 in a month? And gearing in WoW is MUCH faster, it's not even in the same ballpark.

By playing a lot generally and participating in quality RvR activity, meaning joining guild warbands that are successful. I am mostly leading pug warbands and I am RR 64 in 6 days of overall playtime and also in full Bloodlord gear. If I joined Guild warbands I could be maybe 70 already

Tried to join WBs twice on my AM and the Renown which I made was utterly horrible to be honest, maybe I was just unlucky. Ironically I've made the most renown on my witch elf alt because even with bad gear you get solo kills here and there which feel like it's the only thing which gives reasonable amounts of renown.